How about 2011-12 or this season then? McHale's Rockets finished 8 games above Adelman's Wolves with Love playing 55/66 games. This year they're only 1 game above 50% and out of the playoffs. For a team with a supposedly top 10 player, that's absolutely horrible. In fact, I think that together with the Knicks and the young, newly formed and injury-ridden Pelican squad, they're the biggest underachievers in the league. I'll give him one mitigating factor, which is the fact that he has the 2 worst defensive bigs in the league as starters. For a coach with Adelman's approach, that's gotta be a b**** to try to work around. Still, his Wolves have been underachieving greatly and he's not blameless.
Bwhahaha yall are crazy. What makes yall think Rick wouldn't be on board with getting Harden and Howard. That's the main reason why he came here in the 1st place. To coach Superstars, ( Tracy and Yao). Like I said this team would be around 5-6 games better with Rick. This is not a knock on Kevin because dude has done a tremendous job thus far. Rick's motion offense would be a great fit for this team. Would we have the same players that we have now, probably not.
I for one am a big fan of Rick's career. He is of course a first ballot HOF coach. However he has had a glaring lack of success these last three seasons in Minny. Something is just not right with that franchise. Is it partially Rick's fault? Perhaps. It is likely a dysfunctional organization from top to bottom. The team year in and year out fails to even come close to expectations. And if I remember correctly last season Love missed many games because he broke his hand while doing knuckle pushups on the gym floor. McHale has done a fine job as the Rockets coach. A fair criticism would be that he played his roster into the ground the past two seasons. But then they were undermanned talent wise. As has been repeatedly said, NBA coaches are judged by their success in the playoffs. It is time for the rubber to hit the road for McHale and the Rockets team. The jury is still out to say the least.
This thread is annoying. Pointless banter. Rick is coaching the Wolves who are currently out of the playoffs with more talent than the Mavericks/Suns/Grizzlies.
Debatable, but probably wrong. Mavericks are stacked with youngins and vets: Dirk and Monta have worked well; don't forget VC/Marion/etc... Suns: Maybe. Goran, Bledsoe, Plumlee, Frye, an emerging Gerald Green. Grizz: Definitely wrong: ZBo, Conley, Gasol, Prince Rick is underrated based on what you just came up with. Let's be fair.
One reason Howard came to Houston was that he felt he could identify with McHale as a big man to big man. I don't think RA could provide that. Considering Dwight's history with two other coaches who were not players - Stan Gundy and D'Antoni - I think it's fair to say Dwight might not have as good of a relationship with Adelman. Adelman has his offense - and it is very PnR happy. Would he be able to deal with Dwight. Maybe. But it's not 100% either direction. McHale has done that really well. I mean this team could end up winning 57 games. That's a freaking lot. And I think T-mac/Yao > Harden/Howard. Still hard to compare, and I am not saying McHale is the better coach, but I don't think Morey made a bad choice based on what we've seen so far either.
rocketsjudoka is a good poster but he's definitely being completely hypocritical about this whole thing. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=8794765&postcount=47 Probably has to do with living in Minnesota and quite obviously strongly disliking McHale while always having been a self professed Adelman fan. <br> This is ridiculous. You don't give an actual reason but play the sports mysticism card. Really? You're actually implying that RA has lost his mojo due to the T-Wolves being cursed? <br> Speaking of the criticism that McHale is playing his roster into the ground. Since a lot of history revisionists (i.e. tinman) seem to be in this thread... Has everyone so easily forgotten RA's crap rotations? Do you guys really not remember many games of him playing Yao 10-14 mins in one stretch? Adelman, in Yao's last few years completely mismanaged Yao's playing time and ran him into the ground. If had been able to handle his minutes better maybe we'd still have Yao today.
<br> Yes, I'm quite aware I started this thread. I did after all start it. I'm also quite well conscious what what I wrote. I was the one who wrote it. I never said Adelman was not a good coach in my OP. In fact I've never said that anywhere in this thread. In fact over the years I have said Adelman is a good coach. Why don't you show me evidence of where i'm trying to say he's not a good coach? You're right, my OP was not arguing why Adelman left. Moreover, it wasn't arguing anything. It was satirically conveying that I am glad we have McHale and the current roster rather than being stuck with Rick the Ruler. I'm pretty sure most people understood that. Once again, you're right. I did say Adelman did not have any real success while here. Let's see. 4 years: 1 first round exit 1 second round exit 2 missed playoffs Not sure what your measure of success is. But as a bottom line (pay attention to those words, they're the key part of this sentence) that's not very successful in any way. Especially in basketball where success is measured by deep playoff advancement and championships. Does anyone say the Sonics of the 90's were successful? No. Does everyone know that Rockets of the 90's were successful? Yes. As far as your last sentence goes, you're making stuff up. I never claimed he was a bad coach. My arguments have been consistent from the first page. They haven't "shifted" in any way aside from maybe side notes that further discuss the main points.
Adelman was an NBA player. He even played with the then San Diego Rockets. Also if you don't think Adelman is good big man coach look at how much he got out of Yao, Webber, Divac and even Brad Miller. I think McHale has done an excellent job with this team. I didn't like the hire initially but I am happy to eat crow over it. I don't see any reason why to be excited about what McHale is doing you have to dump on Adelman.
Hypocritical about what? Sure Tinman can be an ass but he is absolutely right to remind people of the success that Adelman has had before. Plus I at least admit my bias and even give credit where credit is due in regard to McHale, a guy I hated as a player with the Celtics, GM and Coach with the T-Wolves. HE is doing a great job and I look forward to more success. Let's see the T-Wolves have tons of injuries during Adelman's tenure. Heck Kevin Love was out much of last season because he broke his hand doing pushups. Rubio can't shoot, he has a lot of scrubs, the front office has made bad decisions in the draft. You can call it cursed or not but there is no doubt this T-Wolves organization has had a lot of bad luck and made bad decisions. Anyway if you are going to start bashing on Adelman's success with this team compared to Kevin McHale consider that McHale has yet to lead this team out of a first round playoff. By your own measure of success Rick Adelman in his first three years did more than McHale has since his second year and first two years were much more successful.
Sure you never out right said he a "bad coach." But look at what you wrote: This is the OP. You clearly is trying to use his Minny success to discredit his achievement. You are sarcastically saying that if we did not get rid of Adelman, we would be really bad, just like the Wolves are. You said he "got the boot." If that's not saying that he deserved to be fired like a bad coach, I don't know what that means. Saying "hardly any success" does not mean "bad"? This was the infamous post where you said Adelman's record was "paltry." To be fair, you did give credits to his Blazers and Kings days. Yet you kept discrediting his achievement with the Rockets as "nothing." I don't have time to search out all your post. I think you get the drift. Anyway, I called you out about your "speculation" statement. You accused those who did not agree with you as speculating, and claimed that all you had was fact. That was total BS. You are speculating as much as everybody does. You just claim you speculation as "fact." In case you cannot differentiate between speculation and fact, let me just give you a simple definition. Fact is something that has happened. Is Adelman coaching this Rockets team? No, it's not fact. Saying that he could or could not have done better than McHale is speculation. You claim that he could not. It's not fact. It's speculation. Was Adelman the Rockets' coach when we got Harden and Howard? No, it's not fact. Saying that if he was here we could not have gotten the two star is not fact, it's speculation. You are no different than those who disagree with you. We are all speculating "what if" but you claim your speculation as fact. The only facts are: 1. Adelman was the only Rockets coach who won a playoffs series in the last decade. 2. Adelman had the most injury-plagued roster among the last 4 head coaches. 3. Adelman beat the eventual champions Lakers two times in a playoffs series without a single star. 4. Adelman took the team to the longest winning streak in Rockets history, with both the stars not totally healthy during that stretch. That teams was arguably the least talented team with any long winning streaks in the league history. Yet, you speculate that any other coach could have done that. You claimed that it's nothing. And you speculate that all those achievements should be credited to our genius GM. I am done with this debate.
Read the post right above mind that you quoted. Hypocritical because you did the exact opposite of what you're so vehemently condemning. You dumped on a future coach because you were in favor of a past one. Also, you're "defending" a guy (who created two spam threads off this one) who has an unquestionable and well documented history of dumping on past and current Rockets. But you seem to have no problem "defending" him when the subject matter agrees with your viewpoint. All the while you've had a holier than thou "this thread and posters who have the opposite view of me are pathetic" (strong choice of wording using pathetic) standpoint in all of your posts here. Let's be real. We'll give last year a pass because of injuries to Love. What about this year? Having a core of Love/Rubio/Martin/Pekovic/Brewer is pretty damn good. All those guys have played in almost all of the games this season minus Pekovic who has missed about 15 games with injuries. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2014.html You point out the Wolves managerial mistakes (which are most certainly true) as a way to cover up for Adelman's shortcomings. The Wolves have lost countless close games this year (it seem more than anyone by a large margin). At some point you have to put that on the coaching. Here's a pretty decent article highlighting some of Adelman's questionable coaching this season. http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/..._were_Wolves_good_enough_to_sit_Shabazz022614 Edit: Let me add in one other thing. Yes I actually do think Adelman's first two years can be said to be more successful than McHale's first two. Luckily though, I'm sure the remaining time McHale has here will be way more successful than any time Adelman had here. And that will ultimately be much more important. We shall see what happens in April/May and over the next few years though.
What you're saying makes no sense. He has not had success in Minny just like I pointed out in the OP. We are having success. Minnesota is not "really bad." They are just having a typical Adelman season and fighting for the 9th seed. Look at the players on the Wolves roster. Do you really believe Adelman did not have a huge say in his role players? That's exactly what we'd be looking at. There's no coincidence that Bud, Martin, Brad Miller were all out of here after Adelman was. Wanna know a fun fact. What team did all three of those players end up on after they were dealt away from the Rockets? Spoiler Rick the Ruler's Timberwolves There's no underlying meaning. Stop grasping for straws. He did get the boot. He was not rehired. That's simply a fact. There's no debate about that. Next. My head is starting to hurt by your leaps in logic. No, it does not mean bad. It means it was hardly worthy of any merit. Once again, I ultimately want a championship, not first and second round exits with two seasons of not making the playoffs. First off, it was not all those who disagreed with me. Just certain arguments. Secondly, I have not been speculating. It is a fact that Dwight cited McHale as being one of the deciding factors to him coming to Houston. It is a fact that McHale is leading the Rockets to their best record in 20 years even though his entire roster was turned over a year ago. It is a fact that this team is established in Morey's image and a big part of that is McHale letting Morey do his thing. It is a fact that Adelman clashed with Morey and voiced his disgruntled feelings about Morey's practices in public every time he traded a player Adelman liked. Once again, comprehension issues come into play. I don't even think it's comprehension at this point. I think you're just consciously ignoring things. I've never speculated on whether Adelman could or could not have done better than McHale. That has been you and a few others. By saying he either could have done just as well. Or by implying the same by saying "it's just speculation that we wouldn't be doing well with RA" All I stated was that it is very unlikely this team would be comprised as it is today with Adelman still here. Actually there's no way it would be. That is a very logical line of thinking. See the Martin, Bud, Miller all ending up in Minnesota part of this post for reference. I actually am not even sure what you're trying to point out here. Of course Adelman wasn't the coach when we got our two Superstars. Morey recognized he was interfering with GM duties too much and parted ways with him. Do you think Adelman would have been okay with Morey trading Kyle Lowry for a draft pick? It's questionable that Chandler Parsons (McHale deserves a lot of credit developing him) would even be relevant today with Adelman's history of burying players. No Mchale, no Parsons, no Dwight. Hey! I just made a speculative argument. You can reference that later when you say I've been speculating. <br> 1) That was great and all. Like I said, I was there for it. Loved it. But in the end, who cares. Any other franchise would laugh if a fan base applauded a coach for winning a single playoff series and praised that as a success. 2) That's debatable at best. JVG had a very injury plagued roster. Also I'm not sure what that point has to do with anything. 3) That's great. We still lost. Next. 4) Great memory. Adelman did a great job coaching during that time. Still not relevant to the current discussion of Morey parting ways with Adelman and hiring McHale being absolutely the right decision and best thing to happen to the Rockets. Never speculated that. You're putting words in my mouth again. Seems to be a common theme. The 22 win streak was an achievement. So sure. I'll agree that it was wrong to say he "achieved nothing" or whatever I said. That other stuff is ehh. Still not success. Also the only thing I said in regards to that part of this discussion was that Morey was the real key behind our success. Which I still posit to be true because we've been a consistently winning franchise even after the departure of Adelman. Even though many thought the apocalypse was coming when we hired McHale. So it is not unreasonable to say that Morey deserves a good chunk of the credit. It seems like you are done with this debate indeed.
I agree with Easy. You dislike Rick Adelman with no justification . My theory is you dislike him because he clashed with Tracy mcgrady in his final seasons on playing time. History proved that rick adelman was correct for not playing him long minutes as he went back to injury with the Knicks and so forth Rick Adelman knew he wasn't truthful about his health. That's why you dislike him. I suspect.
Adelman hasn't achieved anything at Minny. Let me know when Love makes the playoffs in his career. And he will bolt to the Lakers. He went to UCLA. He has an LA girlfriend.
LOL please, go troll somewhere else. Take your McGrady fetish with you. I suspect that you did not even read what Easy and I are talking about. You're adding nothing to this discussion and just wasting space as usual. The only problem I ever had with Adelman is how he handled our players. In specific, Yao. First he tried to use him as a high post big man. Which was just lolz. Then there was the whole playing him 12-14 minutes at a stretch time. I still think that had something to do with his eventual career ending injuries. Yao played way too many mpg under Adelman http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html 37mpg in 07-08 was way too much for a guy who was 7'6.
Btw rocketsjudoka. Minnesota blows another 20+ point lead to lose today. Must be the ol' Timberwolves curse. I'm sure coaching has nothing to do with it.
So i take it you forgot Tim Thomas injured Yao and you forgot (intentionally ) Yao was playing for china in the Olympics and practiced every off season for it. You go on my threads and not talk about the subject, like you did on the Olajuwon thread. I go on your thread and point out you are posting false stats on Adelman You know I came up with rick the ruler right? Do you even know the reference for it ?
