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[NYPost] Rockets could make push for Carmelo (UPDATE: Blog post)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ItsMyFault, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. jtr

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    Morey's statement only applies if a MAX contract player is worth his max money and fits well with the team. I personally do not believe that Melo is worth $22M per season. And he certainly does not bring anything to the table that the Rockets need. See statements 1,2,4 and 5.
     
  2. bmd

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    The Rockets do need more offense. The only reason they are such a high-scoring team is that they are good at running the fast break.

    They are not great when teams get back and make them play in the half-court.
     
  3. Voice of Aus

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    Just out of interest what is Anthony worth to you and what is parsons worth.
     
  4. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    The max contract statement only works for stars whose value meets or exceeds the max contract. For example, even if you give LBJ or Durant as much money as you can, their performance and value still exceeds that. There are players however who are not worth max contracts and in those cases, a GM has to decide if it is still worth signing the player to a middling contract. That said, the new CBA from what I understand of it, really hurts middling talent players.
     
  5. Voice of Aus

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    Your thinking makes me think you don't understand the cba or how teams are now interrupting the new cba. More than likely most players who have signed max deals since the current cba was introduced deserve it. It's as simple as that.

    Sure their are the josh smiths who you could bring up but those gm's are getting fired rapidity.
     
  6. larsv8

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    Yea, that's just about everybody's position. Very few people are on board with giving up Parsons.

    And we have been trying to discuss it, but we have had to deal with your non stop propaganda campaign about Melo's efficiency.

    But there is no way to make it happen without giving up Asik, simply due to the CBA rules. If Camby is ready, or you can pick up Okafor off the scrap heap in the offseason after a Melo acquisition, it is worth it.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    I don't get the "Rockets don't need more offense" idea. The team is ranked 5th in offensive efficiency, meaning that there are 4 teams better than them offensively in the NBA. It's not like the team has reached the pinnacle of NBA offense and have no more room to improve.

    For one thing, Melo is a better 3 point shooter than pretty much all the regulars on the team. Sticking him on the court, especially at PF, would instantly improve the team's spacing and allow everyone more room to work with in the paint. Also, Melo is a low TO player for someone who handles the ball so much. Having him on the court should help cut down in TOs and opponent fast breaks.

    Is he worth giving up whatever it is that it will take to trade for him? Hard to tell because no one knows exactly what the Knicks' asking price, and Melo's asking price will be. Also, it depends on how willing Les is to pay substantial luxury tax in order to surround 3 star players with talent.

    But let's not pretend that Carmelo Anthony will not make a substantial positive difference.
     
  8. jtr

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    Anthony realistically is worth less than $16M to the Rockets. He would be worth more if the Rockets did not have Harden. But Harden and Melo are very similar players. Between them they account for over 1 shot per minute on offense. And even as fast as the Rockets play they only generate 1.56 shots per minute. You understand the implications of this statistic I am sure.

    Parsons worth is complicated by how good of a teammate he is. Plus he has no compunction about going out and recruiting other very good players. Parsons worth is probably in the $8M - $10M a year range.

    The numbers:

    Howard, Harden and Melo - $56M
    Parsons in 2015-2016 - $10M
    10 roster spots at the vet minimum - $9.5M
    Total - $75.5M

    That number is over the luxury tax limit. Therefore Les would almost surely be paying the tax on that roster. Ouch!
     
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  9. chenjy9

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    You maybe right in that I don't quite understand the new CBA, but can you clarify why you think that everyone who signs a max typically deserves it now?
     
  10. Voice of Aus

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    I'm saying teams are getting a lot smarter with recognizing who is and isn't worth max contracts with the recent stats age that the clubs now live in.

    Gm's as also now becoming people with business backgrounds no longer hiring past players and legends for a job that requires a business background.
     
  11. Voice of Aus

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    I understand the ouch factor of the lux tax but once we get our 3rd max it would be impossible to not pay it. You can even add in the Exceptions which bumps that figure up even more.
     
  12. WinorLoseMate

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    As a team which has stayed under the luxury tax forever, I still believe that IF Melo wanted to come to Houston, Les would have no problem paying the tax. The benefits of signing Melo to houston far outweigh the luxury tax he has to pay.
     
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    There is no way Parsons resigns at all if we get Melo, we just couldn't afford it.
     
  14. larsv8

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    That is a stretch.

    Rockets made a ton of money last year. It is not out of the question for us to go into the luxury tax.
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    One factor to consider: Where will the NBA's revenue be in a few years, especially when it signs a new national TV deal? If it goes up significantly as it is currently projected by the NBA itself to be, then luxury tax is less of a concern.
     
  16. larsv8

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    ^True

    Another consideration is we made a ton of money last year without a LOCAL TV deal.
     
  17. jtr

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    I too get the feeling that for the right roster Les will probably be willing to go into the luxury tax. No one has ever accused Les of being cheap when it comes to his franchise.
     
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    yes we could
    Get melo first, you can resign chandler and go into lux because of birdrights dude do you even play nba2k?
     
  19. Andre0087

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    How many times has Les paid the luxury tax and the past 15 years?
     
  20. Andre0087

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    Maybe he'll do it for a couple seasons but that's even a stretch.
     

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