[NYPost] Rockets could make push for Carmelo (UPDATE: Blog post)

Sorry, you are just wrong.

Their points per possession metric is identical.

Harden is more efficient, but turns the ball over more.

Melo is less efficient, but rarely turns the ball over.

The net result is identical.

Ignoring that indicates bias.

 

Melo's relative value isn't relevant because there's no choice involved between Melo and Dwight. Dwight isnt worth more than Lebron, but obviously that doesn't mean we shouldn't have signed him. Melo can only be compared to what we're giving up: Lin, Asik, maybe a couple assets irrelevant to winning in the short term, and cap space in 2015. Whether Morey considers Melo worth giving up those things will have nothing to do with Melo's max contract.

 

Actually, I think jtr is closer to the truth on this point. While Melo and Harden match each other in terms of production, their actual impact on the team's overall offense is divergent. Melo's volume scoring isn't as valuable to the team concept as Harden's skills as a playmaker. The advanced +/- stats show Harden's advantage.

 

But isn't Melo having a career year? And isn't Harden fitting in with a potent offensive team? And as far as xRAPM. I Hardly get enough lines even to get Melo into the screen shot.

 

That is the nature of the position, not the player.

Melo's rebounding advantage makes up for that and creates more possessions.

 

Melo's spot amongst the hierarchy of the Rockets has literally nothing to do with this scoring efficiency on the Knicks...I mean, that team is a complete trainwreck. Who should he pass it to? Felton? Prigioni? Jeremy Tyler?

Comparing his scoring efficiency with that of Rockets players is apples and oranges. Completely different systems. One's a trainwreck, the other isn't.

If you can't watch basketball and recognize Melos innate ability to score, and to do so very well, well...I dont know what to tell you

As far as my 3rd option argument, I was merely saying that Dwights brand of basketball (D, Rebounding as his bread and butter), and better suited to be casually viewed as the "3rd option". If Melo comes here, he will get his touches. More so than Dwight I presume, and he'd likely switch off with Harden depending on whos hot

 

No, Melo's offensive and defensive impact is maximized by the current position he plays - the powe forward position. He would be less effective, not more effective as the lead guard in the offensive.

That defensive number from Harden is the stuff of nightmares.

 

No, Melo's offensive and defensive impact is maximized by the current position he plays - the power forward position. He would be less effective, not more effective as the lead guard in an offense as evidenced by his entire career up to this point.

 

If Harden isn't cool with playing with a player of Melo's caliber, or vice verca...I dont want EITHER player on the rockets. And I love Harden. But great players need to recognize the opportunity and the necessity to play with other great players if they want to win a championship.

Melo is a top 10 player in this league, IMO. He gets a lot of hate, which is understood. But there's alot going on in the Knicks organization that he cannot control.

 

Melo is the banner high shot quantity low efficiency scorer in the NBA. If you want to put him on your own personal top ten list, go right ahead.

 

I am not interested in your theoretical box score reader.

PPP is a better measurement, because it measures what is actually happened and is not an attempt to quantify a box score.

 

Irrelevant

We are comparing the offense of Melo as a PF vs. Harden as a guard.

 

Yes, that is certainly a fair assessment of what he is in NYK.

But if you put him in the right system, I believe a scorer like him will see his efficiency dramatically increase. His scoring ability, despite his efficiency #s, are uncanny and once-in-a-generation. Please seriously consider his passing options in NYK and get back to me on that.

As far as being in the top 10, he's the best player on the court roughly 85% of the time he steps on the court. He may not be in the top 10 this year, because of NYK's struggles as a team, but hes certainly been up there nearly every other year.

 

Yeah...exactly. And Harden as a guard has a bigger positive impact on a team's offense than Melo as a PF (or any other position).

 

See a difference?





The bottom one is a player who has taken more of the worst shot in basketball than the entire Rockets team combined.

 

You know Lrasv I would not be against giving up a reasonable amount for Melo. In the neighborhood of Lin, Jones and the 2014 first round pick. I take serious umbrage at people wanting to throw Parsons and Asik into that trade.

 

In the few posts by jtr that I've had the misfortune of reading he has demonstrated that he has a limited knowledge and understanding of basketball. He attempts to mask it by trying to sound intellectual, but you're wasting your time discussing this with him, larsv8.

 

LOL thou who has gained immortal fame on the GARM for epic post failures!

 

uhh...based on how things have played out, Lin and Asik are out the door the way they've been marginalized and dangled in trade talks. Esp with Asik who wants out. Dmo and Jones are also good candidates to be traded for better players.

 

Get your smokey on!