Rudy T did a great job coaching us, no argument. He's a legend and rightfully so. But he was never a X's & O's type of coach. Having Hakeem helped him tremendously. Rick Adelman had success with a variety of different rosters on different teams. The comparison is not close. Adelman's a better overrall coach. You mention defense, but we were at one point just as good defensively than we were under JVG under RA
Yep. Was what I said incorrect? Chandler didn't get any burn until McHale came in, and that was part of the reason Morey had to trade Battier, because Adelman wouldn't play the young guys.
Except Chandler has only played for McHale. So of course he didn't get any burn under RA. HE NEVER PLAYED UNDER RA!
This post is the cold hard truth. In the end the X's and O's don't matter because no championship was won. And then Adelman wanted to be coach/GM which was a no no due to Morey being the Rockets MVP
That's what I've learned from this thread. When Kevin McHale and Morey lead us to actual playoff success over the next few years, the real og's will know what's up. True rockets fans 4 lyfe. *cue NWO music*
That is true, I didn't factor that in. It's been so damn long I couldn't fairly judge him against post Rudy T coaches. Adelman got us 7 games in the 2nd round against the eventual champs without two stars or a backup center. That was a legendary Rockets series imo. JVG and Mchale….yeah your right. Cheney at number 5? Is that better?
Look, it's hard to look at coaching because from JVG to RA to Mchale all these guys have more or less the same level of coaching ability, Mchale obv. not as good with the X and O's but he makes up for it with star power. While the offense was amazing, what made me turn from RA was the lack of concern when it came to game time. Maybe it wasn't his intention, but to me Adelman was already too old and jaded to care about what happened on the court. He preferred inferior players who understood his system over better players who need time to learn his system (aka PPat taking 6 mos to get PT, Bud and Brooks being played over Lowry). He would write PT before the game and follow that no matter how it turned out. There were so many times we would take a lead by half time and lose it when the game is over etc. He didn't discipline his pet players when they were chucking up shots and ruining the play etc. Say what you will about Mchale, but at least he cares and gets on the team when they were losing. I just read the yahoo blurb, seems like this is another case of Adelman mailing it in while Mchale got on his team to win it. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/harden-leads-rockets-over-timberwolves-022750481--nba.html IMHO Adelman should really be an assistant coach, at 60 or whatever his age is he can't handle full time coach duties anymore. He's best as a Tex Winter style adviser to a PJ-type of coach.
Jerry Sloan has a .485 career playoff record. Is his coaching record "paltry" as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sloan
Calling another poster a liar because they mistakenly left out one word. Once again, nothing is below you. Keep up the ad hominem attacks breh. Everyone sees how pathetic you are.[/quote] Why are you bringing up your McGrady fetish as usual? Actually those words were never said. Nor implied. Posts in this thread were written in a satirical way aimed at your inane and vapid posting style. Why don't you provide evidence of where I "admitted" I created this thread because of you? You can't because that never happened. We live in the real world, tinman. Not your dream lala land where you twist and turn everything to benefit your tantrums and outbursts. Again, stop with the slander. You look even more pathetic. The statistics are not false. At all. They are true. That is his playoff win percentage. I already made amends because I mistakenly left the word "playoff" out. The fact still remains that the percentage is real. Not sure what your definition of false is. But again, in the real world that it means something very different from what you are portraying. As far as linking the stats goes; they are publicly available for anyone to peruse. But since you threw another tantrum I made another post directly linking to them on basketball reference. You can choose to ignore this (which you will) so you can make another strawman. In the end you're making yourself look like a pathetic fool. But that seems to be the norm for you, so, no big deal.
Not going to weight in too heavily on the RA debate, just a few observations. To be fair, the performance of players depends heavily on physical athleticism which is medically proven to decline once a player reaches their 30's. Reduced endurance, testosterone levels, muscular strength, ability to recover from injury, and the accumulation of damage to the body from 1000's of minutes pushing the body to it's limits. Coaching is primarily mental. If a coach's vertical declines or they can't run the 40 as fast, it has NO impact on his ability to coach. As long as they're physically fit enough to put in the hours and cogent enough to organize their thoughts and express themselves to their players and personnel, they they aren't suddenly going to forget their fields of expertise. Now, if you're going to argue that Adelman's mental clarity and memory are in decline, or that his offensive sets have become obsolete due to changing defenses or changes in rules, then that's a good place to start a debate. Outside of those scenario's, it's perfectly legitimate to point to a coach's previous accomplishments as evidence of their ability to lead a team. As for Adelman's success in Minnesota, I think it's easy to forget that Minnesota has had horrific luck in terms of injury in previous years. This is in addition to not having a great roster. Similarly, he hasn't had the greatest luck during his tenure in Houston. If Adelman had Harden, Howard and the roster we have now do we really believe he'd have the same record as he has in Minnesota? Talent counts. Not only in terms of the stars but in terms of your role players. And ultimately that comes down to the GM leading the organization. While on the surface you could argue that the players are the ones that win you the games, it's the GM that GETS those players and hires the RIGHT coach for a particular roster that puts you in the best position to win. In a recent interview regarding the hiring of Phil Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy had this to say about the role of the GM.... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...glide-inot-larger-role-phil-article-1.1728888 So did Rick Adelman out perform expectations? Was he sub-par? Was he a failure? Or did he make the best of what he had? I guess that's all subjective opinion. My personal view is that IF a coach has an impressive track record established over a reasonably long period of time, then he's probably a pretty good coach. The real question is whether given the team, roster and circumstances of the time put him in a position to succeed at a very high level. The best coaches aren't plug and play. They need the right team, the right personnel, the right front office, the right timing, and a fair bit of luck to succeed at the highest levels. You might be one of the best coaches on the planet on a team loaded with talent, but if your obstacle was Michael Jordan and the Bulls in 1995-96, you weren't going anywhere if you drew them in the 1st round. Anyway, back to your pro/anti Rick Adelman debate. :grin:
Right. I'm confusing Budinger for Parsons. They're both white after all. Nevertheless, Adelman had a reputation for not playing the young guys and he had disagreements with the FO who wanted him to play the young players they were accumulating at the time. That wasn't just here in Houston.
F.O.S. alert for this post right here. You don't win a championship from the 6th seed in 1995 if you don't have a great coach behind you. Think about it- you had a small forward who was shorter than our shooting guard. You had a point guard who was really more of a shooting guard. You had a power forward who- come on, no one's mistaking Robert Horry for a power forward at any time. And then you had Hakeem. You're playing in 2 of the most hostile environments in the NBA- I would argue that, in terms of fan fanaticism, Utah and Phoenix in 1995 could clearly be the top 2 (this was before Golden State and Oklahoma's rabid fan bases). And we have to win Game 5 on the road against Utah, then 2 out of 3 on the road against Phoenix, down 3-1. Then against the team with the best record- who swept us in the regular season, BTW. Then against another team, Orlando, that swept us in the regular season. With Chucky Brown as a bench hero. Let me repeat that last one- Chucky ****ing Brown. Chucky Mother****ing Brown was one of the bench heroes. Now, you're going to sit there and tell us that was all about Hakeem and not Kenny Smith's heroics against Orlando, Elie's heroics against Phoenix, or Drexler's heroics against Utah? And you have the audacity to even think, much less utter, that this all wasn't commandeered by a great coach?? Shame on you, sir. Shame. On. You.
I find this part interesting because of that quote from Van Gundy. The fact is that Adelman was having problems with the personnel decisions of Morey. There were numerous times where he griped about roster turnover. He also most certainly brought in "his guys" which didn't really work out. So the point remains that even though Adelman may have still been a good coach. It was ultimately his clash with GM duties that lead to him being ousted. And that was definitely the right decision. Because RA is not a better GM than Morey. On a related note, McHale had his entire roster changed in one season and never complained about it while getting the job done. No one gives him the credit he deserves for that. Even Jeff Van Gundy pointed out the Kevin McHale deserves tons of credit and recognition for Houston outperforming expectations consistently for two years now.
<br> It wasn't ever false to begin with. Misrepresented due to a mistake, yes. Two more points. 1)I like how you failed to reply to anything I said in that post and went on your usual broken record spam fest. You know when you have no point. Just stop. 2)So, you're trying to insinuate that a mistake can be corrected before it's pointed out? Once again, your intellectual prowess never fails to impress. Truly amazing indeed.
2007-2008: The only notable rookie was Aaron Brooks and we had Rafer and Bobby Jackson at the PG slot. Luther Head even got close to 20 mpg 2008-2009: Kyle Lowry, Aaron Brooks and Carl Landry each played at least 20 minutes a game. After Rafer got traded, Brooks became the starter and played 35 minutes a game during the playoffs. 2009-2010: Kyle Lowry's minutes went up, Budinger got 20 minutes off the bench playing behind Ariza, and even Jordan hill got 15+ mpg 2010-2011: Budinger got more time this year, Lowry played starter minutes due to Brooks injuries/whatever it was. You could argue that Brad Miller poached some minutes from Rookie Patrick Patterson but they both played about the same amount of minutes per game. This is aside from the fact that he started White Chocolate during his rookie year in Sacramento, started Peja after his second year, gave Hedo 24 minutes in his second year, etc. Maybe Adelman didn't see eye to eye with Morey/Les in terms of how they wanted to Rockets to finish considering they kept getting those mediocre lottery picks but Adelman played whomever gave his team the best chance to win. Sometimes it was vets, sometimes it was rookies. I guess you don't remember when Carl Landry played meaningful minutes as a rookie against Utah?
Rick Adelman was a winner everywhere he went except for Golden State and now in Minnesota. He took Portland to the Finals and losing to Jordan is now shame...Rudy T might have lost to the Bulls too. Rick also made Sacramento respectable...no Sac coach has done so before or after. Meanwhile, McHale failed in Minnesota and he's doing a good job with a fully loaded Rockets team which, quite frankly, so could Avery Johnson and Brian Hill. Think about that.
