Rockets Legend Tracy McGrady says JVG not coaching

Which makes you contradictory because you claim he single handedly failed.

 

He had one of the greatest playoff series of all time in 2008 against the Jazz. His numbers during that 7 game series were historical.

Too bad the likes of ryan bowen, padgett, mike james, jon berry, bobby sura etc.. lmao couldn't help out much. That and Yao got abused by Boozer.

 

He did. He failed .success is when you win not when you lose

 

He did fail, but not alone

 

Tinman had 13 in 30 or nah?

 

When your best player off the bench is Luther Head, and Ryan Bowen starts for your team in the playoffs... What more do you expect? Kobe never got out of the 1st round without Pau/Shaq, god hes such a choke artist.

 

Numbers don't lie?

He averaged 22.2ppg as a playoff average.
That ranks him at number 31 of all time.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_career_p.html


That's not too bad, but it isn't top 5 all time now is it??

 

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That's not really telling. He does have top tier playoff numbers. His last two seasons with the Spurs/Hawks on his death bed (career wise) shouldn't really factor in, but they do with the way those stats were averaged.

From 1999-2008 in the playoffs he averaged:

28 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.2 bpg

Those are top of all time numbers.
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It's just amazing how basketball is a team game until you want to throw full blame of a team's failure onto one guy. Then it's acceptable.

 

I realize how unpopular my opinion might be on this board, but I think Tmac gets too much blame for our playoff losses. Sure, him getting surgery in the middle of the year and looking apathetic in a few games of that 2009 season deserves plenty of criticism, but I don't see how you can criticize his playoff performances.

I remember being at plenty playoff games in 2005, 2007, and 2008 and he performed admirably. He was just unbelievable. There were many factors why those injury riddled teams lost, but Tmacs performance wasn't one of them IMO.

 

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I think a lot of people ignore that a huge reason Tmac even had that injury destroyed season in 2009 that he completely handled inappropriately is because at the end of 2008 he was playing very injured for a long time.

There was no reason for McGrady to ever play that Jazz series in 08 b/c it was a guaranteed loss since Yao was on the IR as usual.

But he did on a destroyed knee and a hurt shoulder. The result finished his career.

The biased revisionist version is that he never played through injury. But he clearly did. And it ultimately probably cost us a championship in 2009.

 

Ugh, don't remind me. I remember that elimination game, dude put up 40 and he was going 1 on 5 out there. Sigh.

 

You would add his last few years in huh?

 

Right - so because he wasn't good enough to play NBA, we shouldn't count the numbers he put up when he did play NBA?

Count me a bit lost.

Also, what should we think of a guy who put up gaudy numbers, but couldn't get a series win, um?

 

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For what's being discussed? No. They should not count. If you want to do weighted averages we can do that too.

But saying that two playoffs where he avg'd about 5 mins per game in garbage time for about 30 mins of TOTAL action at the end of his career should be used to gauge what he did in the playoffs is pretty ridiculous.

That's a huge logical error.

 

McGrady fans are making up statistics all the time, it's leaked out onto the GARM, it's sad.

Not even the Lin fans are stooping that low.

 

Tracy Mcgrady = Rockets Legend

 

TMAC is a Rockets legend and Les acknowledges that.

That is why you see him have courtside seats right next to the biggest Rockets legend ever - Dream

Real (FTW Rockets FTW) recognize Real (TMAC)

Legend (Dream) recognize Legend (TMAC)

 

Legendary First Round Exits

 

This.

Heck, I remember a playoff game we had where only 4 players scored. I mean, wtf! Apart from his last year in Houston, Tmac gave it his all here in Houston.

Man, I still remember that second Jazz series where I really just felt sorry for him. I knew before the series started we were destined to lose that one and Tmac was gonna get crapped on by everyone again despite not having his starting center and playing injured (bad knee and shoulder, i think?) for that series. But still despite a **** ton of injuries against that Jazz he played brilliantly just to try will his team to victory but it's not his fault our guards, Bobby Jackson and injured Rafer most especially, forgot how to make shots.

If Steve Francis, a franchise player that led the team to only one playoff appearance(lost 4-1 against Shaq's Lakers), is considered a Rockets legend, then Tmac should too. One horrible year with the team shouldn't discredit all that he gave to the team. He brought excitement and optimism back to Houston the same way Harden did last year.