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Science Deniers Are Freaking Out About “Cosmos”

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  1. CometsWin

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    Loving how Tyson's got the creationists all crazy. heheheh

    Science Deniers Are Freaking Out About “Cosmos”

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/18/science-deniers-are-freaking-out-about-cosmos/

    If you think the first episode of the new Fox Cosmos series was controversial (with its relatively minor mentions of climate change, evolution and the Big Bang), Sunday night’s show threw down the gauntlet. Pretty much the entire episode was devoted to the topic of evolution, and the vast profusion of evidence (especially genetic evidence) showing that it is indeed the explanation behind all life on Earth. At one point, host Neil deGrasse Tyson stated it as plainly as you possibly can: “The theory of evolution, like the theory of gravity, is a scientific fact.”

    Not surprisingly, those who deny the theory of evolution were not happy with this. Indeed, the science denial crowd hasn’t been happy with Cosmos in general. Here are some principal lines of attack:

    Denying the Big Bang: In the first episode of Cosmos, titled “Standing Up in the Milky Way,” Tyson dons shades just before witnessing the Big Bang. You know, the start of everything. Some creationists, though, don’t like the Big Bang; at Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, a critique of Cosmos asserts that “the big bang model is unable to explain many scientific observations, but this is of course not mentioned.”

    Alas, this creationist critique seems very poorly timed: A major new scientific discovery, just described in detail in the New York Times, has now provided “smoking gun” evidence for “inflation,” a crucial component of our understanding of the stunning happenings just after the Big Bang. Using a special telescope to examine the cosmic microwave background radiation (which has been dubbed the “afterglow” of the Big Bang), researchers at the South Pole detected “direct evidence” of the previously theoretical gravitational waves that are believed to have originated in the Big Bang and caused an incredibly sudden and dramatic inflation of the universe.

    Denying evolution: Sunday’s episode of Cosmos was all about evolution. It closely followed the rhetorical strategy of Charles Darwin’s world-changing 1859 book, On the Origin of Species, beginning with an example of “artificial selection” by breeders (Darwin used pigeons, Cosmos used domestic dogs) to get us ready to appreciate the far vaster power of natural selection. It employed Darwin’s favorite metaphor: the “tree of life,” an analogy that helps us see how all organisms are living on different branches of the same hereditary tree. In the episode, Tyson also refuted one of the creationist’s favorite canards: the idea that complex organs, like the eye, could not have been produced through evolution.

    Over at the pro-”intelligent design” Discovery Institute, they’re not happy. Senior fellow David Klinghoffer writes that the latest Cosmos episode “[extrapolated] shamelessly, promiscuously from artificial selection (dogs from wolves) to minor stuff like the color of a polar bear’s fur to the development of the human eye.” In a much more elaborate attempted takedown, meanwhile, the institute’s Casey Luskin accuses Tyson and Cosmos of engaging in “attempts to persuade people of both evolutionary scientific views and larger materialistic evolutionary beliefs, not just by the force of the evidence, but by rhetoric and emotion, and especially by leaving out important contrary arguments and evidence.” Luskin goes on to contend that there is something wrong with the idea of the “tree of life.” Tell that to the scientists involved in the Open Tree of Life project, which plans to produce “the first online, comprehensive first-draft tree of all 1.8 million named species, accessible to both the public and scientific communities.” Precisely how to reconstruct every last evolutionary relationship may still be an open scientific question, but the idea of common ancestry, the core of evolution (represented conceptually by a tree of life), is not.

    Denying climate change: Thus far, Cosmos has referred to climate change in each of its two opening episodes, but has not gone into any depth on the matter. Perhaps that’s for a later episode. But in the meantime, it seems some conservatives are already bashing Tyson as a global warming proponent. Writing at the Media Research Center’s Newsbusters blog, Jeffrey Meyer critiques a recent Tyson appearance on Late Night With Seth Myers. “Meyers and deGrasse Tyson chose to take a cheap shot at religious people and claim they don’t believe in science i.e. liberal causes like global warming,” writes Meyer.

    Actually, as Tyson explained on our Inquiring Minds podcast, Cosmos is certainly not anti-religion. As for characterizing global warming as simply a “liberal cause”: In a now-famous study finding that 97 percent of scientific studies (that bother to take a position on the matter) agree with the idea of human-caused global warming, researchers reviewed 12,000 scientific abstracts published between the years 1991 and 2011. In other words, this is a field in which a very large volume of science is being published. That hardly sounds like an advocacy endeavor.

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  2. pirc1

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    Fox will love all the controversies and viewers.
     
  3. rudan

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    If this is what makes you giddy, you need to get out more :rolleyes:
     
  4. Dubious

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    He's giddy that we are coming to the end of a thousand years of using religious persecution to defend the infallibility of bronze age philosophers.

    It's not unwarranted.

    (yeah I know they were later than the bronze age but it just rolls off the tongue)
     
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    NDGT basically took a **** on Galileo in order to prop up a dude that had a theory. My jimmies were rustled tbh.
     
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    At the end of the day both sides of the argument end up tracing back to something that that can't be explained except to say that it always was. Whether it be the question of where did the hot dense pre-universe come from, or where did God come from.

    Personally, I think it is ridiculous that people get so upset at others for disagreeing with their own point of view. One side is based in fact, the other in faith. Which of the two is more important varies from person to person.
     
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    lol the denying of science is what holds society back..

    for some of us, this is very exciting.
     
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    Was excited for the show. Haven't liked it thus far. I guess it's made for kids or at least to be "all audiences?"
     
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    I was pretty disappointed in the first episode. I haven't seen the followup yet. The re-release of Cosmos in the mid-nineties is a much better version, based off of the first episode. The great thing about the Cosmos re-release in the 1990's was that they used all the latest and greatest NASA footage available. When they talked about the solar system, they showed actual photos/videos. When the NdGT Cosmos talked about the solar system, the only thing they showed was CGI. I don't know about you guys, but I find the actual photos 100x more interesting than CGI that we can see anywhere. The NASA shots used in the mid-nineties Cosmos were fantastic and I was really looking forward to seeing all the new footage collected since...

    The anti-science crowd is getting out of control. Reading the comments on the big bang "smoking gun" evidence articles from a few days ago was quite depressing.
     
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    Science is the only thing that is real.
     
  11. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Then let's just kill ourselves because all we are are bacteria. :rolleyes:
     
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    Incorrect, we are of the Eukaryote domain, bacteria are prokaryotes because they do not have membrane bound nucleus. Pick up a Bio 101 book.
     
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    The whole "denier" nonsense is just a clever way of trying to intimidate people who resist "dogma" in any form. It is getting old and tiresome. In a culture of propagandizing, objective evidence is illusive.
     
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    Now you listen here' ol' sport. There aint no thing as a noocilus. There ain't no such thing bakteria. All I trust is what I can see with my own eyes. This gravity, cell, subatomic, subcellular bull**** is all just a cover so the "scientific" community can get money for baseless claims. The only thing I know to be true is the word of god and you remember that the next time you open yer mouth.
     
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    Atheist are getting as annoying these days as Right Wing Christians.

    I'm cool with Evolution, I'm cool with Religion.

    How about people just be cool.
     
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    The sad thing is that this Cosmos show could be and quite possibly is 100% accurate yet that still doesn't mean their isn't a God/creator. People like to make everything into a black and white I'm right and you're wrong competition. Humans smh
     
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    Damn, I didn't realize he had become such an iconic figure on the internet.
     
  19. SacTown

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    The science/tech nerds on Reddit and Hacker News are as equally annoying at the right wing christians for sure.
     
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    Exactly. I'm a Christian who sees no conflict, at all, between the existence of God and what we know of the origins of the universe. Literal readings of the Bible that view its "days" as 24 hours and Adam and Eve as indisputable truth are a relatively new phenomenon and not representative of many Christians.

    I've read this elsewhere, but I like its simplicity: "Science is the 'how,' God is the 'why.'" If God's method to create life on earth is evolution, who are we to say no?
     

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