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[NYPost] Rockets could make push for Carmelo (UPDATE: Blog post)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ItsMyFault, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. ForTheWinYes

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    I'm confused, are you really accusing me of being basketballholic? You seem to have a real problem with pulling things out of thin air and pretending it to be factual. Like, seriously, every one of your posts falls into this same pattern.

    It would be incredibly stupid to plan on the cap being some random number rather than plan based on the official projections from the league office. Whether it's higher, lower, the exact same, basing your assumptions on evidence is better than basing it on no evidence. You seem to be utterly befuddled by this fact and it's turned all your posts into babble.

    He wouldn't have to take a paycut.

    Yes, I know the Jazz were well compensated; I literally just told you what they received in the post that you quoted. This seems to be another problem you're having - reading what you're replying to. The Jazz received two first round picks for worthless players. The Rockets have plenty of picks. Asik and Lin have a lot more worth than Biedrins and Jefferson. There are even more teams with cap space this offseason, including a team in Philadelphia which just last year helped the Rockets sign a star player.

    Consider things that have happened previously similar to the Rockets situation. Use this past history as an indicator for what could happen. Don't just pull things out of your ass.

    In the public auction, Morey was looking to receive two first round picks. In a sign&trade scenario in the summer, it would be a straight salary dump and he'd be willing to trade picks to facilitate a deal. There's quite a bit of difference between the two.

    It's not only something they could accomplish. It's something that has been accomplished - every single year.
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's not saying a whole lot. Basically saying conventional wisdom is the best bet here.

    Either way you slice it, the Rockets are not going to win an NBA title this year.
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    No, not many assets. Because if Carmelo is going to walk anyway the Knicks don't have that much leverage. He can walk and they get nothing. So a SNT is not about the Knicks getting much assets - maybe a few 2nd rounders as much as it is about them dumping bad contracts onto us.

    They will give us Carmelo + Felton + Smith + Shumpert. That's where they get a good deal. In return they will take back Asik/Lin.

    That's it. The Knicks get to have a completely clean slate come 2015 with absolutely nothing on the books. They will have 2 great draft picks, Hardaway, and Lin or Asik if they want to resign them to more normal contracts. But they will also have enough cap space to pick up 2 superstars and bam be an instant contender.
     
  4. SC1211

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    This isn't happening. I can't believe an article from the ****ing NEW YORK POST (!!!!) is generating this much hype. This is the same garbage paper that was used by the Knicks to desperately inflate Iman Shumpert's value this season.

    Carmelo isn't leaving. If he does, it's to go to Chicago. You really think the Knicks are going to slap their fans on the face by trading Melo for Lin and Asik after this disaster of a season? You people have officially gone off the deep end.
     
  5. larsv8

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    If Melo is coming in a Sign and trade, its for 20+ million. It is simply impossible for us to take back any decent sized contract on top of his.

    Asik and Lin only 16m.
     
  6. Francis3422

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    LOL at Jopat claiming he is basketballholic but not the other guy that is clearly him.

    DaDakota+Big Steve=Jopat/Bballholic/Forthewinyes
     
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    I don't think PJax gives away Shumpert. He stated he like him. However, if Melo leaves there is a somewhat creative way that we have discovered could entice PJax into trading Melo for Asik/Lin and not much else. And that is if we would take Felton and Smith off their hands. Felton and Smith are the 2 contracts that extend beyond next season (with player options that they are most likely not going to walk away from). If the Knicks could clear them out in a Melo trade or a Melo sign-and-trade that might be enough incentive to get them to do a Melo sign-and-trade for little assets.

    How do we do that? Well, we agree to take on Felton and Smith with our full MLE and a trade. Smith is owed $6.4 million for 2015-16 and Felton is owed $3.9 million for 2015-16. Knicks get Smith to agree to give up his player option for 15-16 and they waive him. We sign him to our MLE ($5.305 million first year with a 2nd year guarantee of $2 million). We then trade Marcus Camby, whom we sign on March 30th (trade eligible June 30th) to the Room MLE with a second non-guaranteed season, for Felton. We can then either waive Felton and stretch his salary or we can hang on to him and see if he'll accept a buyout in order to get somewhere else and play.

    So then you've got Smith on the books for the MLE for 2014-15 plus a $2 million guarantee for 2015-16 (can be traded with cash to cover his buyout) and Felton on the books for $3+ million while still keeping the bulk of our young players and assets on the books. That's a good chunk of salary that when combined with one or two of those young assets could make the acquisition of still another quality player possible.
     
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    Double LOL at you for believing that. Hilarious.
     
  9. finsraider

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    Cap room in 2015 will be $15-17 million, assuming we can unload DMo and TJones (also assuming we pick up their team options).

    Only feasible way is for Melo to take a huge ($5-6 million/year) paycut. I agree that it's unlikely.

    S&T is probably the only option, but it would be a 3-team deal. Asik goes to a3rd team and that team sends a pick to NY and takes back a bad contract (Felton or Smith).

    I don't see how the Rockets would be hobbled, so long as Parsons isn't in the deal. No one would be overpaid, and you'd still have the various cap exceptions to build the supporting cast.
     
  10. redhotrox

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    Fresh news from Woj:
    [rQUOTEr]Anthony has free-agent options, and two have risen above everything else: Chicago and Houston, sources with direct knowledge of his plans told Yahoo Sports. The Bulls have an easier path to clear the necessary salary-cap space to sign Anthony, but the Rockets believe they can shed the contracts necessary to offer a third near-max deals alongside Dwight Howard and James Harden, league sources said.

    "He'll give New York every option," one source with knowledge of Anthony's plans told Yahoo Sports on Tuesday. "But he has options – and he's going to explore them all."[/rQUOTEr]
     
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  11. wink3

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    Make it happen, Morey
     
  12. larsv8

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    Nice!

    You think Melo is worth the whole Drexler / Olajuwon / Harden / Parsons / Morey / Yao pitch crew? Or just Tad Brown with a video recording on an iPad?
     
  13. The Cat

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    Yasssssss .
     
  15. Classic

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    Ron Paul gif?
     
  16. Phillyrocket

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    Once again:

    Harden > Broken down Rose
    Howard > Noah
    Parsons > Butler

    No brainer
     
  17. TheRealist137

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    But you're forgetting

    Thibs >> McHale

    East <<<< West

    therefore it's way easier to make it to the NBA finals.
     
  18. ItsMyFault

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    Well, its definitely reassuring now that Woj has reported.

    It's all up to Melo though.
     
  19. Classic

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  20. batkins

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    I have a hard time believing Melo is leaving NYC, especially with Jackson running the front office.
     

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