the interim PM (arseniy yatsenyuk) is actually jewish himself, so the way they're being painted as neo-nazi anti-semites is truly comical. and the new governor of ukraine's 2nd largest region is even a dual citizen w/ israel (ihor kolomysky). these guys were handpicked by soros and victor pinchuk, so for media outlets to keep repeating this neo-nazi nonsense is really dumb.
I was being sarcastic, of course they'll put up a futile effort to defend their homeland, but Russia will roll right over them just like they've done before.
Of course Russia will, but it's not about winning or losing at this point it's about fighting, but don't think for a second Poland and all the surrounding countries won't help them out. Even if the US doesn't get involved I believe we are looking at the next European war to begin soon. Maybe not WWIII but a big war with many countries involved.
scary talk here. can't say I agree or disagree but the talk scares me. I don't really have my doomsday kit in order as of yet. I hope putin isn't that ambitious. I get the feeling he is more about the money than patriotism or mother russia.. but I suppose if you want more money one way to get there is annex.. and especially ports. putin is the problem imo. I think putin needs to eat some of that polonium 210 he likes to give to people.
To be fair, my "bet" was that the French would halt the sale of those advanced ships to Russia. That hasn't happened yet, but I expect an announcement soon. The French required the UK to act against Russia financially. I'm not sure this quite meets the French criteria, but it might. We'll have to see what the French do, and get further details from Britain as to their actions in response to this invasion of the Ukraine. If Russia invades and annexes other areas of the Ukraine, that country won't sit on its hands and tell them to go ahead. So war could break out, depending on Russia's actions. If Putin invades the eastern part of the Ukraine, as an example, we will have a military conflict in Eastern Europe. A war. Then, in my opinion (all this is my opinion), we'll truly see another Cold War. That's the last thing any sane person wants.
Yes, Putin is the problem, but the bigger problem is Putin's supporters. The entire mother Russis worships him and will follow him anywhere. That's the main problem. If his own people were against his motives then we wouldn't really have a problem at all. The people there vehemently support him. I mean seriously history repeats itself. You have a dictator pulling land grabs with the full support of his people, vehement support. A dictator who served two terms and then changed the rules so that he could serve more... propaganda in their news, rescuing "their own people" by invading other countries. This his played out many times before in Europe.
And so it begins: Poland plans to reform military brigade with Ukraine and Lithuania Poland’s defence ministry has announced it will re-launch plans to establish a joint Polish, Ukrainian and Lithuanian military brigade. The ministry said defence ministers will meet this week to discuss the formation of the brigade that would straddle Nato’s eastern border and bring Ukraine’s armed forces closer to the Western fold. Plans for a joint brigade had originally been struck in 2009 but had failed to make significant progress due to foot-dragging by Ukraine’s previous government, and difficulties in Polish-Lithuanian relations. But the Ukraine crisis appears to have provided fresh momentum to the organisation of the brigade. “Last week Ukraine’s deputy defence minister visited Nato headquarters and returned to the idea of the Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian brigade,” said Pawel Kowal, a Polish MEP who, in 2007, was the first to advocate the benefits of forming the multi-national brigade. “Now is the time to only to refresh the idea but also realise it,” added Mr Kowal. “Regardless of the result of the referendum in Crimea we have to continue with our commitment.” Given shared historical anxieties over Russian intentions Poland and Ukraine have, in the past, pursued good military relations. Some 1,600 Ukrainian troops served under Polish command during the Iraq war, and Ukraine’s forces also co-operated with Poles during the Nato-led peacekeeping operations in Kosovo. The danger of war breaking out in Poland’s eastern neighbour has prompted Warsaw to quicken the pace of reforming and strengthening its armed forces and national defences. Poland is already committed to a GBP 26-billion defence spending programme, which makes it one of only five Nato countries to hit the organisation’s unofficial requirement of spending 2 per cent of GDP on defence, but last week the government announced plans to revamp and strengthen its military reserve. Twelve US F-16s and 300 support personnel have also arrived in Poland with the intention of bolstering the country’s air defences. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...itary-brigade-with-Ukraine-and-Lithuania.html
Biden Heads to Poland to Send Signal to Russia Vice President Joe Biden is on his way to Europe to send a clear signal to Russian President Vladimir Putin about his intervention in Ukraine. Biden left Washington late Monday for Warsaw, where he'll meet Tuesday with Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and President Bronislaw Komorowski. He'll meet separately with Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves. In Lithuania, Biden will meet with President Dalia Grybauskaite and Latvia's President Andris Berzins. The meetings with the NATO allies are part of a broader U.S. campaign to persuade Putin to back off in Ukraine. As Biden was preparing to depart, Putin recognized Crimea's independence and the U.S. imposed the most comprehensive sanctions against Russian officials since the Cold War. Latvia and Estonia share borders with Russia, and Poland and Lithuania are nearby. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/biden-heads-poland-send-signal-russia-22950585
so you think russian people would support more land grab and basically a war based around them taking / trying to take over countries? I mean how much can you spin a takeover even in propaganda? Are you saying the sentiment in russia is one of expansion and domination? As much as I cant stand bush he at least got other countries involved on the iraq and afghan war even though that too was about money. He tried to kinda mask it a tad. Here with putin again its a money deal and putin isnt even pretending to be bashful. That's a little ballsy to me that the dude might start invading all out all over place? That's when it becomes a big war. I just dont see how people of russia would want that. And the USA and England /EU dont want that. So really it comes down to russias intentions. Anyone chime in on what is chinas stance here regarding crimea? What about israel? what is their opinion? Pakistan? India?
Yes. The sentiment in Russia is to follow Putin because he's standing up against the "west" who wants to destroy Russia. The people there violently hate the west and their mentality is strong, much different than the US, just look at the Gay issue - the people support the Gay bans. Their standard of living is so awful and so poor many of them don't have much to live for and they believe it's the west's fault. And you have to understand - the Soviet Mentality is to always have a "leader" - someone to follow. That's the most important thing is to have a strong leader. In the US the people don't really want a leader, but in Russia having a leader is the thing they cling to the most. So they have Putin and they will follow him anywhere.
to war? on a large scale? You think the russian people are really up for that?Who would be russia ally here? them against world?
My guess is China's Stance is publicly not to get involved but probably some private support for Russia taking Crimea. I doubt China would support Russia if it tries to take the whole Ukraine though.
You clearly don't understand Russian people. You're trying to look at this from a USA mentality. The mentality of the people there are totally different. Just completely different. Sometimes it's a good thing, but in this case it's not. I'm really shocked that you are questioning whether the Russian people stand behind Putin or not. They literally worship him, like a messiah.
I hope you're right, but things have already happened when people said nothing would happen when this thread was started. Russia now owns Crimea in just a few short weeks.
Americans are never really behind their leaders. It's not the democratic mentality to even have a leader to begin with. In Soviet mentality a leader is the first priority.
That can't be emphasized enough. Throughout Russia's history, mainly due to geographical issues, its people have been overly dependent on the central government and the leader. It was born out of necessity, but it has continued from the Czars of the Romanov Dynasty to the leaders of the Soviet Union. It is almost engrained in their DNA; their civil society is vastly different than anything that is experienced in the United States.
