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[breaking] Malaysian Airlines loses contact with Beijing-bound flight, 239 on board

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  1. rcoleman15

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    Link:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-jets-pilot-felt-lucky-friend-tells-newspaper-n54341

    Here is the article that NBC is refrencing:

    (Spoilered due to length)
     
  2. cheke64

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    that plane got hit by lightning causing the gps to re-route them somewhere else.
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    actually the problem was they were trying to use Apple maps instead of the always reliable google maps

    amateurish
     
  4. ArtV

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    Ok so if they are flying below 5k to avoid radar, then they flew to the north arch because there isn't radar coverage in the south to try and avoid. Pick a route that is mostly farmland, mountains, fields and woods, then land at a predestine abandon runway (or a new strip).

    This is way too elaborate to be a suicide mission. There was something on that plane that someone wanted.
     
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    Except someone who is trained to look for it can disable it. A plane transponder also takes someone with special training to disable. That is one of the biggest reasons why the current thinking is the pilots did it because only a trained pilot would be be able to disable the transponder.

    You're also forgetting that there are all sorts of other communication devices built into modern jetliners that work at Lojack. Those are the things that the searchers are looking at and why it was determined that the plane kept on flying long after it last was spotted on radar.

    I can't believe you actually are thinking that Lojack could've found the plane. Lojack only has a 3-5 mile radius and isn't even 100% reliable in finding cars. and with this plane we are talking about 1,000 of miles of search area.
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Lojack works the same way. As noted in my post above it broadcast over RF at about a 3-5 mile range. Police cars who are equipped with the proper receiver to and ID codes can identify a reported stolen car based on the signal.
     
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    Hhahahahha, nah my money is on Justice League.
     
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    Yes and no. The circuit breakers are clearly labeled. Much like the only way to turn off the information part of an ACARS transmission is by pulling the matching circuit breaker, you can do the same for the transponder in addition to switching it to standby.

    With no communication with ATC, no transponder and ACARS transmissions effectively disabled -- MH 370 was essentially a ghost plane.

    I still think the flight crew is responsible for this at the end of the day. Just saying, the circuit breakers are inside the cockpit and clearly labeled. This is knowledge that likely could have been discovered with proper research to just about anybody; not just a trained pilot.
     
  12. Air Langhi

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    Radar should still be able to pick up the plane. This isn't a stealth fighter its a huge plane.
     
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    Lojack-like

    and it's not hidden if the pilot can disable it

    not that difficult to grasp bro. basic
     
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    Sure and with proper research Lojack can be disabled. Anyway this is a stupid argument as has been shown there were multiple communication devices. We wouldnt' know that the plane kept on flying without those.

    Considering a situation like this has never happened before it would've been paranoid and not worth the cost benefit to secretly install tracking devices that not even the pilots know about it when this type of situation had never happened.

    Also just to add the transponder while it would've helped wouldn't necessarily guarantee that the plane would be found. Reading about Aviation transponders they send an active signal that helps in radar ID. The problem with that is that still needs to be within radar range. That is the same as Lojack which only works as long as the transmitter is within range of a receiver.
     
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    Right. I have a fairly detailed knowledge of how radar works and I agree with that. Generally speaking, primary radar will pick up just about anything in the sky.

    But what happened here was meticulously planned: the flight crew disabled tracking systems in between jurisdictions of two ATC zones. Malaysian ATC never expected to see MH370 again; which could perhaps explain the error on their part. It still boggles my mind that a radar fix could have traveled across the screen from the East Coast of Malaysia, over land and make it all the way to the West Coast without fighters being scrambled to intercept. That obviously says a lot about Malaysia's radar and defense capabilities.

    The ghost comment was more directed from an ATC standpoint. The radar fix likely disappeared from Malaysian ATC's scopes after the handoff and then reappeared without a data block attached to it. From that point, Malaysian ATC likely didn't know it was MH370, but still should have seen the radar fix on the scopes (even without communication, transponder data and ACARS).
     
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    Did you hear about the remains they found in the attic at bigtexxx' familiy house? It had a t-shirt on that read "Hide and Seek Champ 1962!"
     
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