[breaking] Malaysian Airlines loses contact with Beijing-bound flight, 239 on board

Here is a pretty concise timeline covering the basics.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-timeline-1.514643

 

I guess I'm saying I do not believe in total human failure to find a plane

I believe in the human processes worked as perfect as possible

Both result in complete loss of human life. My suggestion is someone had to pull the trigger to down the plane

 

Nothing would surprise me that this point, but if that happened it seems like something we would maybe never hear about. I mean, If a "good guys" country shoots down a plane, that's something that would reflect badly and evoke popular suspicion on other militaries and power structures.

Based on whats out there at this point, I think the Malaysians were slow to respond to the initial disappearance and then limited in their ability to analyze the technical data available and the situation as a whole. They are also lousy at presenting a coherent message to the media, which makes them look even worse than they are. I think it's pretty likely that the US have had a huge impact in this search through analysis and probably radar and satellite data of their own (they have that neato little naval Diego Garcia in the Indian).

 

Oh come on.. Forgive me for associating Singapore with Malaysia...

On 16 September 1963, Singapore merged with the Federation of Malaya alongside North Borneo and Sarawak to form Malaysia. This marked the end of a 144-year period of British rule in Singapore, beginning with the founding of modern Singapore by Sir Stamford Raffles in 1819.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_in_Malaysia

 

You're the only one in this thread or any other thread I've read on the topic who speaks of the plane getting shot down. I think that's the most least likely of all the plausible scenarios at this point, although it is plausible.

 

Apparently the pilot (captain) Zaharie Ahmad Shah's wife and three children left their home the day before the plane went missing. No clue as to why it took them 8 days to figure this out.

 

Lols

So what are your most plausible scenarios, given the fact we now the military was tracking this plane for 200 miles

Go ahead

Enlighten us

What? Is your story more sexy?

The plane got shot down. Okkams Razor

 

also mentioned being a political activist supporting the opposition.

it all sounds bush league, like the malaysian govt haven't a clue. so instead try to pass the blame onto their opposition.

 

Million dollar question: What would be the motive for the flight crew to go rogue?

Could the pilot or co-pilot be suicidal? Sadly, there is a precedent for this sort of thing (EgyptAir Flight 990). But if suicide and/or acceptance of the likely outcome (plane crashing over water due to fuel exhaustion) were priorities, why did they stay in the air for potentially many hours after going silent? If suicide was the goal; why not just end it quickly? Why make many, seemingly calculated, altitude and heading changes?

Definitely makes me believe whomever was responsible for this had a logical end-game.

 

Every thing you point to still includes trying to use the plane as a weapon and the military took the plane down.

I'm increasingly amazed by how this explainantion is not projected more often.

The plane was shot down. And the Govt doesn't know yet how to explain it to us. They did the right thing

 

Maybe something like Ethiopian Airlines 961?

Short summary: Hijackers take plane, don't understand that range is limited by fuel, aim for someplace impossible to get to, subsequently crash in the water?

 

no. that was resolved in one day.

nothing like this has ever happened before by far. And what's shocking to me is with all the new protocols we still let a 777 go missing.

We have a missing 777 for, what?, six days now.

It's not missing. We shot it down.

 

I thought their point was that even when they picked it up, they didn't have the resources at the time to search what aircraft it was, and just assumed it was a normal commercial flight flying through that corridor, and just ignored it. And nobody thought to check this flight may be MH370 (and why should it be, it was hundreds of miles off course).

 

The plane is gone for good. They'll never find it.

 

Obama will find it. He finds everything.

 

heypartner, we still just don't know, at all.

That said, I am sympathetic to your camp and I started wondering the same thing pretty early on. Here's why.

1. Hijacking / rogue crew fits with the jet suddenly going silent.
2. Wanting to aim for a skyscraper back home matches their big turnabout, back toward their outbound city.
3. Their big turn does *not* make any sense if they were headed for central Asia (at least not as I read maps).
4. The weird communication from Malaysia could be explained by something violent and awful having happened that they do not want to discuss for a big variety of political reasons with their own people and with China especially.

But I have a LOT less certainty than you in this theory.

 

If it was a rogue crew (which I don't believe), why would they not just go straight into the skyscraper after departure?

Also, if the plane got shot off the coast of Malaysia, isn't it extremely likely that someone would have seen this?

 

Great questions, of course. No scenario makes much sense at this point, to me at least. As for their timing, they may have wanted to get outside of radar range before turning about so as to maximize surprise. (The biggest hole is this weaponized jet theory is that it would be stupid to do such a thing in the wee hours of the night by surprise b/c nobody would really notice, media-wise. It's dark and there is no footage of the "big attack".) As for wouldn't someone have seen them get shot down, yeah, perhaps. Depends on range, altitude, etc. just like all the other crash scenarios (which nobody has seen).

I just don't get this central Asia thing, given their last reported heading, and their fuel supply.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_of_modern_Singapore

It was only "merged" with Malaysia for 3 years....

Do you still call Texas the Republic of Texas?

 

I think the likeliest scenario is a hijacking of the plane by someone with pilot skills (not the crew itself). It seems to me like the Malaysian authorities are now trying to pin this on the pilot (by saying the transponders were switched off before the last communication), while trying to smear the opposition in the process. The authorities should look into the identities of other people on the plane and their background (any people with flight training?). I also think that at least the plan was to land the plane somewhere. Why else go through all the effort of changing course and trying to avoid radar? If that information is correct, then clearly, they wanted to do something with the plane and not just crash it into the sea (which they could have done without all that extra effort). I still haven't seen anything conclusive as to whether they have really checked out all theoretically possible landing spots? I think there are some pretty deserted airfields which could theoretically have been used. Sadly, I think the passengers are all dead.