Console Wars Thread! PS4 vs. Xbox One vs. Wii U Fight!

Currently tracking eye movement and heart rate is only used for known content (games and Xbox Fitness). If they were to do so for other content, like ads - they'd update their privacy agreements to state as such. That hasn't happened, and until it does you and everyone else freaking out are Stewart Littling it.

If it did get to that point, I can gaurantee that they'd give you the ability to turn off such features. As they are required to do so for other consumer based software, you have to "opt in" to most tracking not being used specifically for that product.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/kinect/privacyandonlinesafety

Seriously, you're all being r****ded about it. That's like saying they'll flip the switch to start using your computer webcam to track you. They could, but it would be company suicide. They are going to do whatever they can to protect their investors, that's their job.

Again, if you're freaked out about it - unplug the damn Kinect, or simply cover the freaking camera. It isn't rocket science. This isn't 1984, they don't require to see you or what you're doing to use the product. Get over yourselves.

You've gone full r****d.

 

No wonder they wanted to make xbone an always online console.

 

More idiocy, you guys are brilliant.

The always on, was for DRM and for the fact that they believe to get the full Xbox One experience - you need to be online. Period, end of story.

They originally required Kinect because developers pressured them for that. It was mutually beneficial, their Kinect technology would catch on faster because there would be apps and games using it on a mass scale. They are only going to develop for Kinect if they have strong metrics to prove people are using it. That is the reason Kinect 1.0 didn't have strong usage on the Xbox. There was no content, because developers weren't going to waste time, money and resources on content they didn't know people actually would use.

I find it laughable that the same people championing privacy here probably have a Facebook and Gmail account. No one tracks you more than those two companies.

 

For the record, in case it wasn't clear, the "eye of Sauron" bit was done with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek.

What I care more about is ads, period. Not as much data collection related to the Kinect.

So let's take a quick look at the PS4's home screen:

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Now what we have here is tiles leading to your games, and a "What's New" section with your "accomplishments" and activity of your friends, I guess (I could not care less about either). Still though, I don't see any ads.

Then let's take a look at the Xbox One's home screen:

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...yeaaahh. So, first, I'll admit it's an improvement over the 360's interface. At least over half of it is taken up by, you know... stuff you own. But there are still three prominent ads on the right side of the screen.

Maybe turning on your gaming system and having ads constantly pushed at you doesn't bother you. It *does* bother me.

Things could change in the future easily via update, but right now, for me, it's a massive point in Sony's favor that they're not pushing ads at nearly the rate Microsoft is.

 

Hahaha. Haha.

Oh, wait, you're serious?

He posted a link to Microsoft themselves talking about the feature. But the fact that's it's not currently happening and not yet in the privacy agreement means we're "gone full r****d" for discussing the possibility?

Is there anything else we're not allowed to discuss?

I mean Jebus. If this thread were only for posting confirmed facts, it would just be RC talking to himself.

 

Sure doesn't stop the XB1 apologists from talking about "the power of the cloud"! :grin:

 

Yep, no more power of the cloud talk, ever, until it's an objective reality.

Also, no more "the Kinect is the future" talk.

No more discussing prospective sales for each system.

No more talk about SDK updates.

You've got to understand, guys. None of that stuff is in the privacy agreement yet.

 

I wasn't just replying to you regarding Kinect, as you can see from my responses above... some people truly are paranoid.

The argument for ads on Xbox has been long debated, however Microsoft has stuck with that decision. I personally don't want to see ads, and yes as a paying customer I don't think I should have to. However, I also know the nature of the business - and online services' best avenue for revenue is ads. Always has been, and always will be.

However, Microsoft is also trying to get people to buy in to their ecosystem - and their metrics obviously show that the ads work. Can they be improved? No doubt, and I imagine the homepage as we know it will change dramatically over the lifetime of the system.

With that said, it has been proven that Xbox Live and Playstation Network have different offerings... and it can be easily argued that the cost of running what most seem to say is the superior experience, costs more - especially with next-gen.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/10/xbox-one-cloud

The new Xbox Live for Xbox One hosts all multiplayer games in the cloud, so you don't use host systems any longer.

Playstation Network offsets these system-based advantages of Xbox Live by offering more free games, and the use of apps on non-premium memberships. It is up to you as a consumer to decide what is most important to you. Microsoft has long held the stance that Xbox Live Gold is a premium service that they feel is required to get the most out of your Xbox, and the big benefits come directly to premium members.

Long story short, Microsoft's Xbox Live advertisement and services stance didn't change from Xbox 360 to Xbox One. However, they did add hundreds of thousands of servers to allow for games to be hosted in the cloud. So, you get more for the same price with the Xbox One. Again, this is why I feel the argument is silly. Microsoft didn't try to pull one over on people, Xbox Live is the same as it has always been - with the improvement of the cloud.

 

This really doesn't track when you have to pay to go online at all, even to use non-game releated stuff like streaming video services. So let's not pretend that you're not basically required to pay for Gold. Although at least now Microsoft can point to Sony also charging for online play. Last gen the difference was pretty stark with MS charging for online and running more ads. A lot more balanced now.

 

And that's my problem. The ads work. The ads earn Microsoft money. If they're giving me the service for free, and the cost is I need to see ads... whatever, fine.

If they're asking me to pay for the service, fine.

I'm not okay with both at the same time.

 

http://siliconangle.com/blog/2014/0...-blockbuster-game-titanfall-for-the-xbox-one/

 

BTW Svpernaut, I feel I should tell you that the Microsoft Fanboy link in your sig is broken. I'm being serious, you've mixed up an "f" and an "o" in the address:

http://www.microsfotfanboys.com/

 

Thanks, appreciated

About the Azure powered gameplay, first generation games didn't have the infrastructure and SDK to use it. Nearly every game will be in the future, and that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft had to plan and implement the infrastructure... which wasn't free.

 

Gee, and yet the game runs in 720. I thought the cloud was supposed to make up for the XB1's lack of power vs the PS4?

 

Again with the "potential" thing.

 

Graphics and Game Hosting/Network Latency are two completely different beasts.

 

The Titanfall beta was powered by Azure, and the launch will be on Tuesday. So you can put that "potential" in your pipe and smoke it. :grin:

 

To be clear, no one denies the cloud is going to have some effect. But XB1ers have been talking like it's going to make up for the hardware differential. Still not seeing it, just lots of promises.

 

How is talking about an exclusive convincing? Would have to see it run on PS4 to compare.

 

Forza 5 utilizes the cloud as well. And I love Forza 5, it is my most played game to date on Xbox One.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...e-use-the-cloud-to-drive-machine-learning-ai/