Console Wars Thread! PS4 vs. Xbox One vs. Wii U Fight!

Wait... what?

Doesn't it seem a bit silly to say it that way? Heck, only next-gen system I own is a WiiU, and even I'd perceive it as being in last place. Sure, maybe it's sold more than the XBO, but it came out an entire year before.

PS4, XBO, WiiU. That's the right order IMO.

 

Don't think it is that silly. Very premature if you assume those positions are set in stone, but that's about it. If you were to ask me, that's how I'd "rank" them (that's why I think Wii is still the "winner" in its generation). XBO will likely overtake WiiU, but as of today, it is behind. PS4 is just barely ahead (or possibly not even ahead).

We can do it by "perceived" winners, but that is more difficult to agree on.

 

Fair enough to say. I just personally view the XBO overtaking the WiiU in total sales as basically inevitable. That's not to say I'm rooting for that to happen or anything.

And it's true that I think there are actually more quality titles for the WiiU right now than the XBO, as barren as I perceive their lineup to be... but again, I attribute that to the year head-start. I hope the WiiU picks up a bit. New Smash Bros will help, new Zelda will help, X will help. Just don't think it'll prevent a fall to #3. I have no belief whatsoever in the differentiating power of the tablet controller.

 

Oh yeah, it definitely seems inevitable. But I try not to "project" too much with these things. By the end of the year, we might have the positions set in stone, so not really a big deal either way.


On a side-note, I've been trying to follow up more on the way Killzone is rendered in MP. It really does seem like an interesting technique. Seems quite a bit better than rendering in 720p or probably 900p (and upscaling). If I'm understanding it right, it actually looks better the higher the framerate is (so it is a good option when you're shooting for 60 FPS...less so for 30FPS or less). Still not as good as full native 1080p, but it does look pretty close in some circumstances. Might see techniques like this become more popular.

 

I am sorry I should have added the word "Currently" in my post.

 

The circlejerk remains strong in this tread.

 

In that case, the WiiU should be in first place...as the game lineup for the PS4 is the least spectacular of the 3 systems.

 

In your opinion. And you do realize I was just following up on my point that despite current game library, I perceive XBO to be in 2nd instead of 3rd, right?

For me:
WiiU has best games lineup *right now* (I don't expect this to hold true in the future).
Lineup of games for PS4 and XBO: Both equally awful IMO. Which is why I don't own either one. I'm not seeing the gap in quality of games between PS4/XBO that you're seeing. Or if there is, it's only a distinction between a pile of crap and a slightly larger pile of crap.

And the games point was a sidebar anyway. Mainly I was making a point about the sales war, that I think it'll inevitably be PS4 1, XBO 2, WiiU 3 in the very near future, instead of PS4 1, WiiU 2, XBO 3.

 

Xbox One's lineup being better is definitely a matter of opinion. PS4 has a lot of indie games not available on Xbox One already like Resogun (which is one of the better games on the system). Personally I wouldn't have bought Ryze, Dead Rising (played a couple of the other games, they were okay...not worth $60 to me though), or Forza. I might have rented Ryze or Dead Rising, but I did the same with Knack, and I actually bought Killzone (even though I traded it in later, I still made the initial commitment, wouldn't have with Xbox's lineup). And after that they primarily perform better on PS4, so...

The only game that I absolutely would have bought is Titanfall, but I'm absolutely buying Infamous when it comes out as well. I think at this point you can slightly argue in favor of Xbox One, but I don't think that will last long with the userbase Sony is pushing right now. There's a veryyyy slim chance Titanfall 2 will be Xbox exclusive (they'll have to fly off the shelf because people want Titanfall, and that could happen) even if Xbox One's userbase grows significantly from this point.

 

I agree that the XBO game library is underwhelming as well...it may be a case of opinion when comparing it to the PS4, but the game everyone talks about on the PS4 is a 15 dollar Indie game.

However small the difference is, XBO at least has a couple popular exclusives that have been released in Forza and Ryse (even if you guys personally would never buy such games, they are still popular amongst the general population). Titanfall around the corner will be big for the XBO...as will Infamous, but Titanfall's impact will be greater, imo.

Titanfall 2 will be on PS4.

 

It seems like the only game getting talked about on XBO isn't even out yet.

Yeah, you can really only support that argument if you limit it to something like "the XBO has more big budget decent games ONLY found on the system" or something like that. Which is fair enough, though I think different people have a different view of what makes a game library good.

Quite frankly, if you hadn't played the games before (on PC/PS3/PSV/etc.), games like Flower, Sound Shapes, Trine 2, Dead Nation, Injustice, Warframe, War Thunder, Outlast, DC Universe Online, Yakuza Ishin, Dynasty Warriors 8, etc., might be better (or at least on par) than some of these "pure" exclusives (Killzone, Ryse, Knack, Forza, etc.). Not to say those games make the library great (as mentioned before, both suck IMO), but I think they shouldn't be ignored. Someone who skipped the PS3 (and/or doesn't have a PC) might be persuaded to get a PS4 for these games.

They're both going to have good games (mostly the same, unless the sales gap widens to crazy levels), so I wouldn't really bother making serious arguments of one being better than the other.

 

Well, there's the reasonably popular exclusive Killzone, which isn't a $15 indie game. Not that I care a ton about Killzone anymore myself (loved Killzone 2 awhile back, but it got old like every other shooter).

It seems like AC4 is probably the best game on either system anyway. But if we're just talking exclusives, for me personally Resogun & the thatgamecompany re-releases on the PS4 side roughly balance out Dead Rising & Crimson Dragon on the XBO. I'd like to have all of those, but none of them have me foaming at the mouth and running out to buy a $400 or $500 console. Then you have the shooters that I care about just enough to pick up when they get cheap (Killzone/Titanfall).

Meh. All I can say is I really look forward to the game libraries expanding on all three consoles. None of them astound me in the here and now, and there's only even one "system-selling" game (X) on the horizon for me (that's been officially announced, anyway). Probably the exclusive I'm 2nd-most interested in (a DISTANT 2nd to X) is the PS4 version of Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends Complete Edition.

 

Because they aren't after that market segment. They are focused on games for the whole family, and being a cost leader.

 

That's always been a silly counter IMO. They can have both markets. You can make a more powerful console AND focus on games for the whole family AND keep costs pretty low.

 

IMO WiiU probably would've been released with specs closer to Parity with PS4/XBO if not for the tablet controller.

The tablet controller is clearly not a cheap item, at all. If they released a system with roughly equal power AND an expensive tablet controller, then IMO they are either looking at a $600 PS3 situation (which they don't want), or they're losing money on consoles sold.

Trading power for a novelty controller was simply a gamble that didn't pay off, in my view.

 

Yeah, that's true, though I kind of see the tablet as maybe somewhat equal to the Kinect in costs. They did launch a little earlier, but I could see something slightly underpowered compared to the XBO. Maybe 4GB-6GB of RAM. 8-10 CUs. Etc. Where XBO struggles with 1080p, maybe WiiU struggles with anything above 720p. That's good enough for easy ports though (including ports of PS4 games that wouldn't sell well on XBO, but might on WiiU).

They would have to drop things like BC though. In fact, that might be what is keeping costs a bit high.

 

We will see. I'm not saying this is or isn't true, but if Titanfall lives up to the hype would you really put it passed MS to pull a Halo again?

 

Pull a Halo?

Buy EA? Um...not really.

To be honest, I actually think EA might try to find a way to squeeze out a Titanfall GOTY edition (or something) for PS4 by the end of the year. Though I think MS might have secured that from not happening....maybe. Really just depends on how well PS4 continues to sell maybe.

 

Not EA, but Respawn. Heck, maybe they don't even have to go that far. If enough money is thrown at the crack whores that are EA we could see Titanfall on Microsoft media for quite a long time.

 

Pretty sure Respawn is not for sale (they formed because the staff wanted to be independent). On top of that, EA has the rights to their next game I believe.

MS would have to give a LOT of money to EA to keep the game exclusive, given PS4 sales (we're probably talking the biggest moneyhat ever, and probably by orders of magnitude). On top of that, when Respawn's deal with EA is up, they may decide to ditch EA even. Respawn doesn't seem interested in making a game that is exclusive to one platform.

It is a nice thought though, isn't it?