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Is CP3 overrated ?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by UtilityPlayer, Feb 26, 2014.

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  1. tadahito

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    The Clippers made a few critically bad moves the last few years. Otherwise, CP3's team would be challenging for the title every year.

    1. Drafted Al-Farouq Aminu at #8 and passed on Paul George(#10) and Gordon Hayward(#9).
    2. Traded Baron Davis' contract + lottery pick to Cleveland for cap space. The lottery pick became #1(Kyrie Irving). During that off season, the Clippers used the cap space to fill the hole at small forward with Caron Butler($8 mil per year) while the Rockets drafted Chandler Parsons and the Spurs drafted Kawhi Leonard.
    3. Traded Eric Bledsoe too late and only got Jared Dudley in return.

    So their team could've been CP3, Kyrie Irving, Paul George, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, with Bledsoe off the bench, and threads like these wouldn't exist.

    In Wednesday's game, the Rockets made big runs when the Clippers brought in their bench. Their bench is so bad that they're now picking up washed up vets off the street.
     
  2. TheRealist137

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    clippers bench is a lot better when they can move Jamal Crawford back there but that depends on if Redick is healthy.
     
  3. arjun

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    ~50 assist and ~3 turnovers in the last X games??......no, not overrated.
     
  4. Clarinetmonster

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    Not really a PG in the true sense of the word. Also played SG quite a bit under Larry Brown. Was great though, especially at his height.
     
  5. DonatasFanboy

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with point guards.

    The league is shifting towards superteams. "Multiple stars" is everyone's moto now. Aldridge, Love or Davis fail without a second legit all star just as much as Wall or Lawson do. Hard to build a contender without two foundational players these days.
     
  6. DonatasFanboy

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    Yeah, he's a SG. He was the most successful next to a point guard, or even a point guard + a point forward (Kukoc).

    He could be the primary ball handler obviously. He created a lot by breaking down defenses and kicking out. But that play style is very physically taxing. You can't do it on every single possession. So he was better off paired with another ball handler.
     
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    I'm talking about recently. Also, I wouldn't consider Tony Parker the best player on that team. They're weren't getting to the finals without Duncan.
     
  8. napalm06

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    His flopping is underrated.
     
  9. roksoer

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    probably about as correctly rated as harden's
     
  10. Easy

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    If you think Harden's flopping is on Paul's level, you are grossly underrating Paul, or maybe you are a Harden homer.
     
  11. Mr. Space City

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    cp3 is rated right where he should be and that's a great future hall of fame point guard.

    the problem is point guards in general are overrated, especially these "pure" point guards ya'll prop up.

    how many times in history has a truly elite superstar "pure" point guard lead a championship team in the last 30-40 years?

    tony parker wasn't elite yet (and is more of a scoring point guard) and the best player on the 2007 spurs was tim duncan, parker just had the better numbers at the end of a finals sweep.

    chauncey billupps was never elite (and again more of a scoring point guard) and he played on a stacked team.

    magic is an anomaly becuase he was a "point guard" but had the body of a small forward which allowed him to do think you're typical 6-0 to 6-4 point guard was not physically able to do.

    the last true elite point guard to win lead a championship team was isiah thomas.

    steve nash
    jason kidd
    john stockton

    all hall of fame "pure" point guards with no rings.
     
  12. Mr. Space City

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    fixed*
     
  13. dback816

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    You act like champions of 90's and late 80's didn't have at least a second star or two players whose combined impact rivaled or exceeded that of a lone star.
     
  14. BleedRocketsRed

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    Hes underrated.
     
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    *fixed*
     
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    All I know is he is a p***y! He will cheap shot you if he gets the chance and he will flop all over the place... its ten times worse now because he has the NBA seal of approval to do what he wants since he's in LA.

    He is really good but I don't have any respect for him because his game is based on being bailed out by the refs.
     
  18. DonatasFanboy

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    There's some truth in that, although today people take it for granted that Kevin Love will leave because he's surrounded "only" with Pekovic, Rubio and Kevin Martin. Not that long ago the "normal" was for legit stars like Mitch Richmond or Iverson or TMac or Ron Artest to want "their own" teams and willingly waste a lot of years carrying much crappier rosters than that rosters.

    Anyway, this probably got a bit off topic.
     
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    I'm confused. Since Harden and Dwight are clearly the best players in the league right now and probably of all time, why is their Player Efficiency Ratio (PER) lower than Blake Griffin (Flight 32) who can only dunk and CP3 who is only a flopper?

    Here are the current PER this season:

    CP3 - 26.8
    Flight 32 - 23.93
    D12 - 22.1
    Harden - 22.01

    I thought efficiency stats were all that mattered in determining the best player? What is going on?

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
     
  20. slestack11

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    So do you like James Harden's game? He just rams into the lane in hopes of getting a blocking foul. But it makes his efficiency ratings high so that makes him the greatest player ever right?
     

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