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Blake Bortles

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  1. Remii

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    Yea... I thought the same thing but I was hi... The defense suxked last year when Cushing was on the field. And have you seen that dude lately...??? Teddy Bridgewater looks thicker than he does.

    We're in a rebuilding process. Not a patch work process. So it really doesn't matter if they go Clowney, quarterback, or whatever because we still will be drafting in the top 10-13 next year.
     
  2. Chuck 4

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    The AFC, particularly the AFC South, will still be crap salad.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Exactly why I think if they do the right thing and fix their defense and get Foster back healthy they could win their division. The Colts are nothing special, and with the pass rush of Watt, Clowney, a proper NT, and a speed guy like Travardo Williams I think Luck turns the ball over a ton. Of course, if we don't put enough resources into that defense, that changes things.
     
  4. HTown_DieHard

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    If you are counting on Foster and Cushing to stay healthy... You're probably going to have a bad time.
     
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    If you aren't counting on that then you probably should be rooting for the Texans to dump anyone over 28 and build from scratch. I don't think two fluke injuries should lead any person to think the Cushing won't be healthy. It doesn't make him "injury prone" any more than it makes someone a bad driver for having a drunk driver plow into their car. As to Foster, that's yet to be seen, but if he's not healthy, the team has no chance whatsoever because the team is based on the run game and defense. If you don't have a healthy Foster, nothing else matters.
     
  6. HTown_DieHard

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    Does not matter how you get injured. You cannot disregard two straight yrs of season ending knee injuries. Kubiak ruined foster, and now a back injury.. Yikes!

    And yes, if it was economically viable i would drop foster immediately. But, it's not so it wont happen.
     
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    Under Kubiak it was based largely on the run game setting up the pass game.


    We don't know for sure what it will be under the new regime. Some indications say we will see more short passes used as our "run game", thus minimizing the potential ills of Foster not recovering well. I totally agree on Cushing, though. The guy is not injury prone. He's a victim of two bad blocks - one dirty, and one borderline. It happens. It doesn't mean he's injury prone. It also doesn't mean he will return to pre-injury form, though, which sucks.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, wow. Thanks for your input, I'll consider it for what it's worth.
     
  9. Remii

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    The only thing you're right about is Foster... This team has never been nothing till he showed up. He made things that weren't good look good (like Schaub and the defense). Other than that, it seems you think O'Brien is going to take the 5h!t Kubiak left behind and try to make it smell better and I think O'Brien is going to blow this team up... Just like Kubiak had to do when he first got here.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I think we could see more short passes, but since there isn't a really good QB available, I doubt we'll run an offense that requires a lot from the QB.
     
  11. HTown_DieHard

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    Glad to make you laugh... We all know you are a lonely man.
     
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    I don't think the offense is even being thought of much, yet. Obviously, O'Brien has an idea of what he'd like to run, and I think it's playing to his draft evals. I think we will end up with a quarterback from one of our first two picks (should be obvious), and O'Brien will have his offense in mind as he's making the selection. I do think, though, that a short pass game, especially with number 80, is something that will do nothing but build up a young quarterback.

    As far as running an offense that requires "a lot" from the quarterback, I probably would agree. It would most likely depend on the coach's comfort level with whoever we draft. A guy like Bridgewater would open the playbook up more than a guy like Bortles or Manziel. I even think a guy like Derek Carr opens the playbook up more than Bortles or Manziel.

    In my opinion, Carr could easily have a better career than Bortles. I also feel like Bridgewater going to the Jags will ruin him.
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    I posted this elsewhere already but Mel Kiper's new big board has Teddy Bridgewater as the top QB at number 10
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    I think more and more often we are seeing this draft class viewed this way and if the Texans see it this way, then there is no way we take a QB in the first. I think we should focus more on who is likely to be there in the 2nd than guys like Bridgewater and Bortles who will be gone. There's a chance Carr is there, and guys like Jimmy G should be there too.
     
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    Worse than a broken record
     
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    And just as you posted this elsewhere, I will repeat my post... Kipers initial Big Board from the 2013 draft.

    Kiper rank Player Pos School Where does CBS rank them now?
    1 Matt Barkley QB USC 18
    2 Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia 8
    3 Barkevious Mingo DE LSU 9
    4 Logan Thomas QB Virginia Tech Stayed in school
    5 Sam Montgomery DE LSU 32
    6 DJ Fluker OT Alabama 24
    7 Robert Woods WR USC 43
    8 David Amerson CB North Carolina St. 87
    9 Star Lotulelei DT Utah 7
    10 Manti Te’o ILB Notre Dame 38
    11 Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio St. 28
    12 Taylor Lewan OT Michigan Stayed in school
    13 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas 42
    14 Johnny Adams CB Michigan St. 227
    15 Kawann Short DT Purdue 40
    16 Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M 1
    17 William Gholston DE Michigan St. 140
    18 Keenan Allen WR Cal 13
    19 Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina 122
    20 Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St. 17
    21 Le’Veon Bell RB Michigan St. 134
    22 Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi St. 33
    23 Corey Lemonier DE Auburn 120
    24 Ricky Wagner DT Wisconsin Stayed in school
    25 Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame 37
     
  16. Remii

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    I guess you don't know that Bortles runs a pro style offense and has control of his offense like Teddy does... Carr may be a good quarterback but he's in a gimmick offense.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    This isn't his first big board for the year though....You can't compare an early big board to one that's after the combine. However, I'm not saying his "big board" is the end all be all, I'm just saying that it's following a trend of people saying that the top of this QB class is pretty weak.
     
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    I don't see any point in trying to evaluate a big board right now until after Pro Days. Especially since Teddy has done nothing. It's very hard to compare him on a big board.

    The way I see it is this:

    -Bridgewater is the only QB I'd consider in the top 3, based off of game tape. We will see how this changes after pro days.

    -I'd take Bortles in the 10-25 range if I truly believed in him. He probably won't last that long though, although there is an outside chance (very small) that he falls to the second round. If he's there, I think he's your guy, even if he has to sit for a year or two.

    -I think Carr and Bortles are 2a. and 2b. here. I think there is a stigma around Carr because of his brother. Reports are saying he will be gone to Cleveland by their second first round pick. I would be happy with him with our second round pick. I think he would be great in whatever offense O'Brien wants to install. Good arm, good athleticism. Football guy.

    -Garoppolo is an unknown, largely for me. I don't think I would take him with the first pick of the second round. I would be happy with him as the first pick of the third round (and signing someone like Cassel or Mccown for a year or two).

    -Manziel is an unknown. I don't think I'd draft him top five. If I was picking in the later half of the first round and needed a quarterback, especially if I was Cleveland, he'd be hard to pass up. If I'm the Texans and he's there to start the second round, I think he's hard to pass up. Really hard. I think there is a good chance that could happen, too.

    To be honest, I'm not familiar enough with the other guys to say much about them. Mettenberger and Boyd intrigue me, though.

    To me it's Bridgewater or Clowney if we stay put. I don't think there's a chance this team drafts Watkins, although it'd be cool. The hard thing is, we could potentially trade back to number four and get one of these two guys still. In my ideal situation, the staff falls in love with a quarterback, whoever it may be, and we are able to trade back and pick up an extra first round pick. In my scenarios, we trade back with the Browns and pick up their first round picks. I don't even care about any other picks. Just their first round picks this year. In one, we trade back and with the first pick, get Bridgewater. With the second pick, we somehow nab Aaron Donald. In the other, we trade back to four, and with that we nab either Clowney or Mack. With the other, we grab either Bortles, Carr, or Manziel. I would be very happy with these scenarios, but I realize they are highly unlikely to happen.
     
  19. HTown_DieHard

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    I'm quite certain bobbythegrate is texanschick, lol
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm quite certain that I have yet to see you post ANYTHING intelligent. I think it's time you get the Remii treatment, goodbye troll.
     
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