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Sources: With the emergence of Hamilton- Granger a longshot

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Feb 27, 2014.

  1. GoRox2013

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    Shannon Brown, Earl Clark, Stephen Jackson, Daniel Gibson, possibly Caron Butler etc..
     
  2. GoRox2013

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    Shannon Brown, Earl Clark, Stephen Jackson, Daniel Gibson, possibly Caron Butler etc..
     
  3. MaxRider

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    not like granger will pick us anyway
     
  4. chenjy9

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    The only person on that list worth anything at all would be Caron Butler. There is no point in signing any of them...
     
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    Rockets won't wait on him if they get Lebron...or Bosh.....or Melo.....or Aldridge. However if they don't get one of those guys this summer, they'll retool a little bit, try to maximize future assets...probably by trading out of this draft to future drafts unless they really see somebody they like.....and probably by trading Asik and Jones for at least one more future first rounder. And they'll sit there and wait for the trade deadline. And then if the trade deadline passes without acquiring Love or one of the above (or possibly some other mystery superstar player that hasn't emerged as being available) then they'll hold all those assets and go into 2015 free agency ready to sign somebody outright.
     
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    Just think about this....if we can't trade for Love or Aldridge this summer and if we can't get one of Lebron/Bosh to walk here....then why keep the pick? Trade it for a possible better pick in 2015 to a team desperate to get another player out of this draft. Combine Asik/Jones out and get another 2015 or later pick back....plus some other ending/non-guaranteed contracts....like Brendan Haywood and Keith Bogans. Carry a bunch of expiring salary on the books, sign a player or two to the full MLE with one year guaranteed followed by non-guaranteed salary in 2015.

    Now you're pushing towards the 14/15 deadline with your 15 first rounder, another 15 or 16 first rounder from the trade of our 14 pick, plus another future first from the trade of Asik/Jones, several expiring/non-guaranteed contracts, plus several young players like Covington, Canaan, Daniels, Beverley, etc. on minimum salary deals locked in for another couple to three years.

    Deal doesn't get done at the deadline...finish out the year...possibly flip one or two of those youngsters plus one of the expirings for another pick and a larger expring/non-guaranteed and be sitting there in 2015 with picks running out our ears, the option to have cap space and sign one guy outright.....or the option to trade away a gob of non-guaranteed salary plus picks for not one player but 2 players...possibly one more superstar and another very good player.

    Roll 'em roll 'em roll 'em, keep dem doggies roll'n
     
  7. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Basketballholic, Trade deadline is over, time to change the signature. ;)
     
  8. justtxyank

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    If they do nothing this offseason but actually make themselves worse by getting rid of Asik/Jones then they are punting on a season of possibility contending, all for the CHANCE to get at Love.

    That would be a mistake. This team is good enough to contend for a title without Love but it will require making moves to get veterans. This is what Morey has always talked about. You have your foundational pieces in place, now you can worry about filling out the roster with players you wouldn't have committed money to before you had your stars.
     
  9. Panda23

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    I don't know man, it's a tough one. Morey seems like the kinda guy to think that two games is an adequate sample size, right?
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    -Larry Coon is not making these projections, the NBA is. Larry Coon is simply a guy who works for ESPN and knows guys in the NBA who shared the projections with him.

    Of course a dramatic economic event can change everything, but it doesn't mean that Daryl Morey or any other NBA team should not plan for the future, or should not plan for the future based on a range of likely scenarios instead of the worst case scenario. After all, this is what they do with player transactions all the time, and guessing at the NBA's income level next season or in 2015 is more of a science than guessing at what a 20-year-old draft prospect might become when he comes out of college.

    Nobody knows the future exactly, but businesses do have to make educated guesses at the future in order to make decisions in the present.

    I am sure that the Rockets do account for the risk of the salary cap not meeting current projections when making their personnel decisions, but this is one factor among many other that can change the team's future. The team won't ignore this risk, but it also won't ignore the current projection as "worthless," either.

    -Realistically, Morey's preference cannot be to "punt" on a season just to gather assets/flexibility for the next season. Even if the Rockets only have a 1 in 15 or 1 in 20 chance of winning a title in the present, it's still something worth preserving because it's pretty damn hard to even get to this level in the NBA. And every once a while, one of those teams that look to be "good but not great" actually do get to the Finals and win it all. The 2011 Mavs, for one, was not a team that many people saw winning the title. They looked like just another one in a string of 50+ win Mavs teams that don't quite get it done.
     
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    I would sign Daniel Gibson. Just so that he could be around his family.
     
  12. DarkRock

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    Hamilton played 2 good games and it is too early to tell. What intrigues me the most is why McHale had eased him into the rotation so quickly. There must be something that McHale likes in Hamilton.

    Also on a night when Harden and Parsons had an off game Hamilton was the best shooter on the floor. Got to give him a lot of credit for that.
     
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    i'd say our weaknesses is at the PG and PF but both spots are currently filled by bunch of so so scrubs
     
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    So it is basically Codman vs CyberX!
     
  15. justtxyank

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    Double Knockout.
     
  16. GoRox2013

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    Why exactly not? Most of you misjudge the type of role players that help win championships. Most playoff series come down to one basket, you need veteran players who are not afraid of big momments. Are you telling me Danny Granger, Stephen Jackson, Daniel Gibson can't help us? :confused:
    Miami has 3 HOF players, but their season ended up being saved last year by Ray Allen, a role player who everybody thought was washed up:rolleyes:




    You guys seriously overrate this current team's chance of winning a ring. Trust me, come playoff time our inexperience will be exposed
     
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    I get that he's played a couple of decent games but, isn't that sampling size too small to pass on a vet the likes of Granger?

    This is pure speculation but, I'd guess it's either Granger's health evaluation or the FO is seeing an opportunity to lock up Hamilton on the cheap.
     
  18. W22_STREAK

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    Hamilton > Granger
     
  19. chenjy9

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    If you aren't smart enough to figure out why the people you listed were bad ideas (save Butler who I mentioned was decent and Granger who you never listed in your post and are now trying to sneak in), I am not going to waste my time talking about it in depth with you, much less take the time to explain why as it is painfully obvious that they all SUCK.

    I agree that we need veteran leadership come playoffs time, but none of the guys you listed save Butler fits the bill. Allen is arguably a future HoF and no matter how old he is, shooters can shoot and get hot. All you did was list a bunch of scrubs that are available. You sign scrubs like Gibson or Jackson if you need to fill a roster spot. Do not convince them with someone like Ray Allen.
     
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    Getting around to it.
     

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