Console Wars Thread! PS4 vs. Xbox One vs. Wii U Fight!

This is a discussion on next gen consoles so how the game looks is important. If it was a discussion of online flash games or mobile phone games it would be more about game play.

 

A prime example of Nintendo's target market.

Have you ever played GTA?

 

I got Faster on Bluray. It was a TERRIBLE MOVIE and it was nothing special in terms of what I was watching. My eyes are fine too. I don't wear glasses or anything.

 

So basically it's all magic. :grin:

I think I understand what you mean though. It sounds like there are bottlenecks in the makeup of the system that will at the very least make it difficult to get the most graphically out of the XBone.

 

The first game I got for the XBone was Assassins Creed. I don't know what resolution it ran at, I don't even care. All I know it it looked AMAZING and I enjoyed it just about as much as any game I played.

Personally for me, the days of worrying about graphics ended in the last gen of consoles. Plenty of 360 and PS3 games looked amazing. Now with these new consoles any graphics shortcuts are just down to how much detail the developers wanted to put into the game rather than missing out on anything because the system your on cant churn out XYZ.

 

Exactly. I think the thing affecting XBO right now (graphically speaking) has been some of its bottlenecks. Fortunately, developers can design their engines to get around these bottlenecks, and MS will provide tools/ways to making them easier to get around. But at the end of the day, the bottlenecks are still there.

You can put a Titan in a system (~$1000 GPU), but if you pair it with the PS1's CPU and only 8MB of RAM, you're not going to get the visuals you should be getting. As you might imagine, you'd want to make sure you avoid any major bottlenecks in your system. Otherwise, you end up "wasting" a low of the computational power in your system.

The PS4 has its own bottlenecks of course, though because of their similar architectures, the weakest areas of the system seem to be on par (or better) than the corresponding areas on the XBO. For example, the CPUs in both systems could be limiting some games from achieving higher framerates. This is how you might get games that appear to run the same on both games. They run into the same bottlenecks on both systems. But in other cases, where performance/visuals are difference, those unique bottlenecks might be to blame.



BTW, on a side-note, I'd point out that generally games are impacted more by resolutions than movies/video. Jaggies and other issues pop up more in rendering, which generally isn't a problem in lower resolution video (due to the "free" motion blur I think...similar reasoning as to why <30 FPS is OK for video). Won't really add much else to those other discussions, but I think that's an interesting takeaway about resolutions.

Also, PS4 needs to sell like hotcakes in Japan so that Atlus will port Persona 5 to it as well. I'll still have my PS3 in 2015 (when P5 will finally be released), but it should would be nice to be playing that on my PS4. In glorious 1080p.

 

http://www.geekosystem.com/assassins-creed-screenshot-mistaken-for-real-syria/

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Old, but still funny. And speaks to PS3/360 graphics being real enough already.

 

Here's hoping. I can play an RPG on a handheld, but I'd rather play it on my big-ass TV for sure.

Actually, one of the reasons I've held off buying a PS4 is in hopes that the US will get a good PS4-Vita bundle. If I can get both for $500, I'm there. But I believe there's still no firm release date for the Vita Slim here, and I'm sure we won't hear about any possible bundle deal until then. Here's hoping it's soon.

 

Do either of these systems have the ability to add hardware via the USB input that in the future might allow them hardware upgrades to get around these bottlenecks.

For instance, if this console cycle is around 8 years, if for what ever reason PC gaming takes a giant leap forward graphics wise or even if peripherals like VR headsets really take over and change how we play games, could we see either console come out with a hardware addon that boosts the consoles power (and probably hard drive capacity too while they are at it) or is that not really possible?

 

Lol very true. How many games on 360 and PS3 look stunning! Anything we get beyond that out of the next gen consoles is just gravy really.

 

USB wouldn't really work too well. Way too slow. Even USB 3.0. Never mind the complexities of designing such a thing, and trying to get developers/gamers to buy in.

Think it would be more likely that we streamed games remotely. Or just got completely new hardware.

Keep in mind that bottlenecks like this aren't new. I think both systems are pretty well designed for the most part. MS lost out with their bets on 8GB of RAM (and that will probably hurt), but don't think these bottlenecks are much worse than other systems.

 

Vice city, PS2.

 

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Christopher, do keep in mind that not all blu-rays are created equal. Some are just abysmally bad transfers that are indistinguishable from a DVD.

A second factor that blurs the line is that some DVD upscalers (like PS3) are of such a quality that they can make DVDs look nearly as good as blu-rays.

So in short, if you're watching a well-upscaled DVD vs a poorly-done blu-ray, yeah, there might be no difference.

A couple common movies I like to mention to people that look bloody fantastic / photo-realistic in blu-ray are A Few Good Men and The Princess Bride. Buy one of those on blu-ray, and I promise you that you won't mistake it for a DVD.

There's also quite a number of situations where blu-rays are sold with the DVD included as a pack-in. Since I have two HDTVs side-by-side in my living room, I actually took the opportunity to compare the Avatar blu-ray vs the DVD. The difference was not subtle, believe me.

Well, any movie I bother buying in physical form, I'm going to buy the blu-ray if one is available instead of a DVD. Why not?

I'm just not necessarily going to upgrade to blu-ray if I already own the DVD, unless it's one of my favorite movies ever.

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Dude, you're preaching to the choir. I'm interested in how the new consoles are doing, which is why I'm in this thread. But you shouldn't take anyone making an occasional comment about resolution to mean that they care more about graphics than gameplay. Of course basically everyone cares about gameplay more (which is why I don't even own either system yet, despite being a big gamer).

Doesn't mean it isn't interesting to discuss these things. And heck, for a multi-plat like the latest Assassin's Creed, isn't it worthwhile to look into which version is the best one to get? Graphics aren't the end-all be-all, but shouldn't they be a consideration after all other things are equal, as in a multi-plat? I do want to play the new Assassin's Creed, but aren't I better off waiting to play it on PS4, instead of running out to buy an inferior version on PS3?

 

I played the Wii U demo at Best Buy, i think any of those games could be done on Ps3 and 360

is it really next gen?

 

IMO no, not at all. Which might be part of the WiiU's problem.

 

Yeah, partly. But of course, the larger problem is that the Wii was a once-in-a-generation phenomenon (as in people generations, not console generations :grin. The Wii sold well because it targeted a demographic that had not previously bought video game consoles. But that same demographic just isn't interested in a new machine -- grandma can still play Wii bowling in her retirement home, she doesn't need a Wii U. That was Nintendo's huge miscalculation and misunderstanding. At this point they should really just drop the console and focus all their attention on handhelds, where they're doing very well, thank you.

 

But it has a TABLET CONTROLLER! It's REVOLUTIONARY! You can do... THINGS TO BE NAMED LATER WITH IT! That is why you MUST HAVE IT! (hey, sounds like Kinect)

Pair this revolutionary tablet controller with LAST-GEN POWER! HOW CAN YOU SAY NO!?

 

Spoken like a true home theater guru!

A superior TV (calibrated) and a superior dvd upscaler (bluray player ) and video processing will show fantastic picture.

Also, on a separate note, I noticed that my Netflix on my xbox360 looks better than the netflix app on my panasonic plasma.

Drex,

Did you have an Oppo Dvd player back in the day?

 

Interesting to know; I suppose it doesn't surprise me. I'd never compared video between 360 and my smart-TV (my Gold subscription expired and I did not renew).

But it was always noticable to me that PS3 video quality > 360, and also PS3 > smart-TV. So I suppose the whole thing would be PS3 > 360 > smart-tv. Makes sense.

I did not. I didn't really get to be a video quality junkie until the HD era. I actually still had a tube tv when I bought my first PS3. Didn't get an HDTV until almost a year later IIRC. Heck, I didn't even know the quality difference you could get from a component input vs a composite one.

During the DVD era I was more concerned with getting a DVD player that could be configured to play discs from other regions. Original Oldboy ho. :grin: