Stephen A. Smith: "Heard some news about some potential deal involving Jeremy Lin"

the whole screen is systematic. PnR killed us when we had rafer alston, who was pesky. It's set up to make you fail. As is, all of our guards get caught on screens no matter how hard they fight or anticipate. it has to be an approached by the bigs and the coaches to guard it 50/50. It's supposed to make your D vulnerable one way or the other. That's why Asik is so important and the turkey knows it too.

 

You are right but our players never anticipate at defense, they just want to add a steal(and they gamble for it) in their stats and run for an easy bucket(this is not bad) , that is not a good philosophy IMO.

 

I hear ya about Asik, in a sense.

But consider in certain industries internal motivation matters hugely and the personnel have to be managed properly. And it's on management to do so.

Certainly this is true in basketball where effort matters so much.

Morey blew it.

You can't just say, "well, we lied and we're gonna waste your prime, and make you lose $15 to 20 million on your next contract."

 

You don't know nobody else courted his services, or that the rest of the league considered the money 'ludicrous'.

The Bulls were clear that they would match. So Morey 'made' a contract that would crush them if they did.

He was the first GM to use such a contract, and it worked both times.

 

To put it in perspective, if Asik plays 15 minutes a game this season and next, he's gonna get another 3 year contract at $8.5 million per, at best.

If he started and average 10/12 these two years, he's up to 4 years at $11 million per.

$25.5 million (3 years) versus $44 million (4 years)

So conservatively, he loses $2.5 million a year due to Morey's lie, for a total of $7.5 million. And also the surety of the fourth year.

If someone lying to you cost you $7.5 million, you wouldn't be pissed and demotivated?

 

Motivation is not an issue. If he quits on his team, then he will be making even less on his next contract. At this point he needs to cut his losses and accept his fate. He can help this team win a championship.

 

No. You don't do this to people in real life and not expect (1) retaliation, (2) for them to start hating you, (3) passive aggressive behavior, or at minimum, (4) shirking.

You think Asik will just "cut his losses and accept his fate".

No. People respond in a predictable way. He's causing a lose-lose situation for Morey.

It's like if you punch someone, they're gonna punch you back, even if it leads to more punches exchanged in a lose-lose situation.

 

I should add it is rational in this situation for Asik to continue to shirk and force a trade, and play full time next year putting up 10/12 again, and still get most of that 4/$44 million waiting for him, then to "accept his fate" and play 15 minutes a game this year and next.

He cuts his losses by NOT COMING BACK.

 

The NBA is not real life. Your "punching" example shows this. I n real life, I might have somebody's big brother or posse come after me, or I could get 30 months in jail, or my employability might plummet. Very little of that applies to the NBA. I doubt Asik is as unrealistic as you. Morey gave him a better deal than anybody else. Did Asik, at that point, owe Morey a favor?

 

No.

Morey has made it perfectly clear that he doesn't give a crap about crybabies. If Omer wants to play hardball, he has picked the wrong GM to do it with.

Morey will let him 'rot' rather than trade him for pennies on the dollar, thus killing his career off altogether. The only way for Asik to get a trade is to come back, accept his fate, and play 15 minutes this season.

 

Is that the best analogy for this situation? I don't even understand it.

 

With all due respect, I think that post is similar to what littered my grandfather's pastures in East Texas. Morey took an enormous risk on Asik. He gave him an ideal platform to show what he could do, and GM's around the league got an eyefull. If anything, he owes Morey a debt he may never be able to repay, unless he repays it by filling his role with relish as long as we have him and he's healthy. Oh, and Morey gave him $25 million dollars, not chump change for a backup center, not by a long shot. In my humble opinion.

 

Does the actual evidence match your scenario of an Asik indifferent to his loss of role and future earnings? (The 4 minute Philly outing drove it home: in the rotation, he wasn't even to get 15 minutes a game consistently. And that was prior to the rise of TJones.)

Or does it match that of a previously content Asik become an unhappy, shirking Asik?

I believe Asik played in the last two games only to show that he's healthy, to strengthen Morey's ability to deal him going into the trade deadline.

But what if he's not dealt by 2/21? I have no idea. He might play semi-motivated for the rest of the season, but then probably gets traded over the summer.

If he's smart, he'll force a trade. I can't see him staying another year playing 10-15 minutes a game.

If Morey plays hardball, as DrNuegebauer suggests, I think he only gets a demotivated Turk glumly collecting his $15 million.

I re-iterate the motivation level of high-skill workers is something that needs to be properly managed by superiors. To do otherwise is to have these types of drop in productivity.

 

You could also say Morey owes something to Asik who helped us making the playoffs last year and probably the reason why Howard signed with Houston(because he saw potential in that team),but in reality no one owes anything to someone.
Again there were a lot of teams interested in Asik when he was a RF(GSW,Boston,Portland to name a few) but he signed with Houston mainly because of the Money but also because he was promised to be the starting C of that team.

But then Howard signed and he made it clear he wants to leave,at the end it is business.

 

You keep saying that Morey lied to Asik, as if this is common knowledge. Please post evidence that this is the case.

Perhaps I missed something, but I do not remember any articles about Morey promising Asik that he would not bring in another starter ahead of Asik. Maybe my timeline is mistaken, but hadn't he just gotten finished chasing Dwight?

Really, though, please post a link that establishes that Morey misled Asik, or made a promise to him about this. Otherwise, your assertion that Morey lied and Asik is justified in his behavior is total BS.

 

I don't see Jeremy Lin getting traded because he brings a lot of intangibles and the rockets are better with him then without him.

Asik's capspace in 2016 is worth more than the bad contracts offered so I don't see Asik being traded either.

It's a pushing the crap as far as it can go story for SAS.

 

The article was posted in this forum back during the Asik to Celtics talks, when it was believed the Lee-Bass deal had been finalized, from a Boston paper. I don't see it as my responsibility to repost what was already up, but others can google if they missed it.

 

I don't think Lin's getting moved either. Knicks forums are buzzing though. They want him back, but don't think anything's going to happen for real.

 

This is all just a random guess.

I'd be shocked if het got anything less than 10 mil per year on his next deal, barring injury, no matter what his role is with us. Teams have seen what he can do as a full time starter. Just because we brought in someone that pushed him to the bench doesn't mean he all of a sudden got worse.

 

It depends on how you look at it. If you don't retaliate, you may lose respect from your peers which may be more important to you than avoidance of physical harm.

It's one of the reasons I think Lin does not earn respect from his NBA peers. When he gets shoved, slapped, or even kicked he's too nice to retaliate. It may earn him points with the Christians and casual fans but not his NBA peers (not that it is or should be his motivation). Even if he gets right back up and play through pain or injury, he may at most get an acknowledgement. Other players still see him as soft.

When Bev gets in a physical altercation, he may be in a lose situation physically, but he earns respect for not backing down and he may also spark his teammates to start playing tougher.

Lin has a more calming influence on the team. He gets players who are upset to calm down so they don't do anything stupid in the heat of the moment. There was even a time when he pushed McHale back to the bench so the Rox don't get a technical when they had the lead at the end of a game.

I've grown to appreciate what each of this PG tandem brings to the team.