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Did Some Crown Paul George Too Soon?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by vator, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. asianballa23

    asianballa23 Member

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    George is right there at the same level as harden and curry. So yes, below LeBron, KD and kobe for sure.
     
  2. swyyyguy

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    remember when some people compared him to t-mac? LOL, how wrong they were... paul george is nowhere near t-mac's level.
     
  3. pakattak

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    I'm having a good time imagining Paul George literally being crowned, maybe with a cardboard Burger King hat.

    King James, make way for King George.

    It's funny how fast and loose the term gets slung around, isn't it? People need to come back to earth with that ****.
     
  4. FeaR

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    Out of curiosity

    Ariza shots:

    MISS 9.49(1) defender-Lin ,Wide Open three in transition ( Harden was on Beal).
    MADE 9.08(1) ---------------, Corner three in transition( Harden was on the ground on th other side)
    MADE 6.47(1) defender-Harden, corner three (Harden lost him)
    MADE 5.57(1) defender-Parsons, caught on the screen, mid-range bank shot (Harden was on Beal)
    MISS 4.54(1) ---------------,Wide Open three in transition (Harden and Howard late)
    MISS 5.11(2)
    MADE 6.51(2) defender-Harden, Open three(Harden overhelped Parsons)
    MADE 9.32(3) ---------------,Wide open three in transition (Nene tried to post up Harden, TJ went to help but no one was on Ariza again)
    MISS 6.37 AND 6.33(3) defender-Harden,tried a lay up - blocked by Howard(He took better position against Harden)
    MADE 4.55(3) defender-Harden,Wide open three ( Harden was watching the ball , he tried to close but couldn't pass Nene screen.
    MISS 3.35(3) defender-Lin, bad post-up(Harden switched with Lin)
    MADE 3.19(3) defender-Harden,wide open three(Harden- i can't understand what did he do, no one needed help)
    MADE 2.56(3)defender-Harden, wide open three(Harden didn't expect him to shoot so early - challenged it )
    MADE 2.47(3) defender-Harden, exactly the same with the previous play
    MADE 1.35(3) defender-Harden, in transition three(Harden was all over him)
    MADE 1.01(3) defender-Harden, Wide open three (Harden tried to help in the paint, pump fake by Ariza and ...)
    MISS 9.57(4) defender -Parsons, Open three - Parsons Lost him( Harden ---out)
    MISS 5.01(4) defender-parsons, three -Parsons caught on screen - Tj challenged it (Harden on Wall)
    MISS 1.11(4) defender-Parsons, he lost him but Ariza tried a bad fadeaway shot


    Harden deserve the blame for at least 6 of the 11 Ariza's field goals.
     
  5. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    Regardless of whatever "streak" each player is on, George has been a much better 3pt shooter this season, plain and simple.

    If harden is injured he needs to sit. He hurt his hand a couple of weeks ago, then his shooting improved. Not buying any injury excuse.
     
  6. flamingdts

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    A more accurate statement is.

    George is a better 3 point shooter early on in the season, Harden is currently the better shooter. That is based on a very big sample size.

    Using overall data is a narrow view of evaluation, when George's production is clearly declining every month.
     
  7. Houstunna

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    Well, the injury excuse didn't work.

    The MOST accurate statement is... George is shooting MUCH better from 3 this season... .370 > .329

    George's career 3PT% is on an upward trend compared to Harden's.
     
  8. Aleron

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    Why, Ron was a great defender with a good, not great, but limited offensive game, that's Paul George to a tee.
     
  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    Better version of Igoudala and thats it.
     
  10. flamingdts

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    Like I already said, Harden's poor shooting early on is attributable to his injuries, George's hot shooting attributable to his hot start.

    You could choose to ignore it as much as you like, but the stats support my premise.

    There is a reason why Harden's shooting percentages are trending upwards, and Paul George downwards.

    But sure, you want to keep making the argument that 37%>33%. That's fine.

    I would take a guy who could actually score on the floor over a guy who chucks.
     
  11. Houstunna

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    Paul's last 2 seasons has already proven he's a good 3PT shooter. Arguing his last 30 games does not outweigh 175 games. Shouldn't be difficult to understand.

    As for Harden's injuries...

    1) A bad finger on your shooting hand should effect one's shot more than a foot. Yet Harden's % has improved since hurting his hand.

    2) Harden was shooting 30% 3PT before his foot injury. Very small sample size, but it's a sample. A sample that should definitely hold some water with you since you're using the injury excuse.
     
  12. Houstunna

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    You're underrating Paul's offense. His is much better than Ron's. Paul shoots better (by far) across the board and has more handles. Paul also rebounds better. At best, Ron was a top 30 player... Paul is top 10.
     
  13. chenjy9

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    I question how much you actually played ball... You can adapt to shooting with a bad finger, but when your legs are hurt or tired and giving out, good luck trying to shoot. Hands are important for stability and rotation... yes, but for most it is all in the legs.
     
  14. flamingdts

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    Harden has already proven he is a good 3PT shooter in his entire career. Bringing up 45 games and completely ignoring the effects of his injuries on his shooting does not invalidate 298 games. Shouldn't be difficult to understand.
     
  15. Houstunna

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    Also regarding recent Paul's 3PT trend... he only had one bad month (JAN), he shot .315.

    In his 7 games in FEB, he's shooting .357. Appears he's trending upward for this season AND continually in his career as well.
     
  16. apollo33

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    You are really being anal about it

    If you wanna look at the big picture, in the past two full seasons Harden and Paul George shot around the same percentage of .37-.38% which is really good for their positions

    is PG a better 3 point shooter than harden? maybe, but only probably by around like 1% better, it really isn't much on any level.

    Plus PG has shown this year he can hit pretty crappy shooting slumps.

    The point is, whether or not PG is better than Harden really doesn't come down to their 3 point percentage because they are both not great at it, but both are good at it for their positions.
     
  17. Houstunna

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    Harden's legs weren't tired or giving out. He was just shooting poorly. Hopefully Garcia snaps out of it too.

    If Harden's foot was truly effecting his 3-ball that much....

    1) Don't play
    2) Stop shooting so many 3's
     
  18. Houstunna

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    Ditto Harden

    All I initially said was Paul's 3PT are better (by far) this season... which it is. Then, other posters got anal.
     
  19. flamingdts

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    I don't get why you are trying so hard to make an argument out of this.

    What you just said in no way invalidates the fact that his injuries have affected his 3 point shooting.
     
  20. Houstunna

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    1) Harden was struggling before the injuries.

    2) Injuries might not have effected him like you suggest.

    Why is it so unfathomable to you to just suggest Harden simply struggled this season?
     

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