[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

Lin's best productivity is with Harden on the floor, not off it. The team's winning percentage with Lin as a starter alongside Harden is 13-5....pretty darn good. Over the last month he has found a nice rhythm with Howard as they have had a number of memorable lob dunks. I maintain that in order to beat teams like the Clips, Spurs, Portland and OKC in the playoffs, you need your PG to be able to go at the other PG as well as play good defense. Lin has been very solid if not great when matched up against the top PGs in the game....Parker, Conley, Wall, Ellis...etc. Lin's real value isn't as a 6th man microwave off the bench, it's the matchup problems he creates for other teams as a starter or primary player. He is big for his position and just as fast as any small guard and has proven he can more than hold his own and offset the other guard's productivity. The other teams require their PG to be their best player or second best player. Not Houston. However, the Rockets have a matchup at the Point who can hold his own and offset the productivity of the other team's best player. That's Houston's key to winning the West. Whether Lin starts or not probably doesn't matter so long as the coaching staff recognizes this inherent advantage the Rockets potentially have if they use their personnel correctly.

 

For Rockets fans who complain about Lin...his numbers are actually pretty close (actually a little better) to what Harden produced in his 2nd year in the NBA as a backup to Westbrook. Harden averaged 12.2 pts/2 asts per game. He's a superstar now. Lin is doing very well.

 

Hey guys, we're winning.

 

Doesn't matter, numbers are clear.

/s

 

I don't really know what you're trying to imply but for the record Lin will never be the player that Harden. That much I guarantee.

Also, Harden was what 21?
Lin is 25.

You're ceiling is much higher when you're 21 as opposed to 25

 

One thing I wish Beverly could do is make better passes and lobs to Howard. He needs to learn how to be a better passer as a starting PG. Lin and Howard have great chemistry, however I still feel it's better if Lin came off the bench.

 

Sure, everybody knows that. But this doesn't mean Lin won't develop into a very good NBA player.

 

Lin is already a good NBA player.

However, I don't see the point in comparing Lin's 2nd year stats to James Harden unless you feel that Lin is in the same career trajectory which he clearly is not.

 

Not necessarily, dude still can get his as a starter. Just have to play smart and aggressive.

 

Yes it does.

Your annecdotal 5th grade level statistics are worthless.

You may be onto something. If only we could find some measurement that eliminates factors external to the lineups and simply measures which is better in the starting lineup.

Oh wait, we did, it is overwhelmingly shows it is quite clear the right person is starting.

 

Wat

.720 > .676 if my math is right.

ftr - I prefer lin off the bench.

 

He is saying the way he is using stats is completely stupid.

 

and he's right, but he replied directly to this:

With a "Yes it does."

Hence, confusion.

 

Now is my use of stats wrong?

 

Somebody, please kill this thread.

Then stick it in a boat given by the Elves and push it off the Falls of Rauros. Let the Lin fans visit it far downstream on its way to the sea.

(gets on knees)

"Dear God. I know I haven't always followed you as I should. But God, if you would just guide the hand of one of the Clutchfans admins. Guide his hand, Lord; help him lock the 'Patrick Beverly Jeremy Lin' thread. I know I should just ignore the thread, Lord, but it's like a traffic wreck. So...I don't ask much, Lord, just please, guide the admin's hand...."

(click)

"This is God. I'm not in right now. But your message is very important to Me. If you leave a message, I'll get back to you. Don't worry about leaving a name or time you called. Believe me, I got it. Thanks for calling. Be good."

 

The overall problem with Lin starting is if he doesn't get to touch the ball and set up plays he usually can't make a spot up shot and that sets the tone for him the rest of the game. The man has worked to death on his shooting off the dribble and spot up, I think this is as good a shooter as he'll ever be and thus a weakness of his game and being an overall player. And his hesitation to shoot it is very noticeable of late as he passes wide open shots so the teams are taking a step back to let him drive into a packed paint or trap and that causes turnovers.

It's better that Lin comes off the bench more so than not so he can handle the ball due to Harden somewhat more tired or not in so he can set the tone for he can set a tone for himself and spark the team.

 

Honestly.... who here really still gives a Sh$% about who is better and who "DESERVES" to start or finish games?

The truth is neither player has really shown that he's a cream of the crop top notch starter in the league. Both players are fitting into their roles nicely, and overall the team is producing so its not that big of a whole to fill if they are playing their roles and healthy, but lets be honest here..... If Morey can upgrade the starting PG position at any point in time, and not turn the teams salary cap flexibility upside down, he will do it in a heartbeat, and Lin and/or Bev will be expendable or backup Said PG.

Until that time comes, Its a shared duty, and both players need to shore up their weakness (IE Lin with his turnovers, and Bev with his inconsistent shooting, etc.) Neither are perfect pg's but together they cover areas that the other guy doesn't....

So stop this stupid argument please.

 

Look, I am not going to put the effort into this because I am almost 100% sure you are some LOF who will just ignore it and continue to believe what you want to believe. You are ignoring so many variables it is silly to even take you seriously if you actually believe that win/loss metric is evidence than Lin should be starting.

Last night was a win. A very ugly horribly played win. It just so happens, we got lucky last night and the refs called things our way. Whereas the game before, when Beverley was starting, we played a much better opponent, on the road, and performed significantly better. Your 5th grade analysis is going to paint last night as some sort of positive for Lin starting, which it should not be.

 

During the 10 games Lin didn't play, we went 6:4.
During the 18 games PBev didn't play, we went 12:6.

These numbers clearly favor Lin. That's not an opinion, it's fact.
No the samples are not big enough to draw any conclusion. But to say "the numbers are clear" that PBev deserves to start is, well, against the law (the law of statistics that is )

 

this thread is still alive?

but yes i agree with you.. it was strange for clutch to use such strong language... Clutch is normally pretty objective..But at the same time some Lin fans are just over sensitive..

To me who really cares at this point.. It looks like we finally have some sort of rotation and players are starting to know their roles better.. It just sucks people keep getting injured.. Hopefully Bev's injury issues are not a lingering problem the rest of the year.