Where is this nonsense coming from that Seattle would trade Earl Thomas for JJ Watt??? They already have a top 5 pass rush, losing earl thomas is significant damage to their secondary What are people smoking/drinking?????
Because JJ Watt is the best defensive player in the league. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/07/2013-pff-defensive-player-of-the-year/
I know that, but is watt going to be playing safety when they have a giant gap to fill at the defensive back position. They already have a plethora of solid pass rushers, losing earl thomas would be more harmful than gaining Watt.
you are missing the point. elite defenses build around their secondary & lb. i.e. why seattle is going to let michael bennett walk. a good secondary gets u good passrush... not the other way around.
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No you need a pass rush though (a defensive back can only cover for 2.5-3 seconds, Seattle just has a ton of quality rushers to rotate in, they can let one go and have others to replace him
You're just following the current trend. Great pass rushers make mediocre secondaries looks amazing. If the QB doesn't have time to thow it doesn't matter who you have at DB. That's why pass rushers get the big bucks. How much are the highest paid ILB's and safeties making compared to Mario Williams and soon to be Watt?
Exactly, there are two ways of doing the same thing. Either you have an amazing pass rush and a good secondary or you have an amazing secondary and a good pass rush. You accomplish the same thing either way.
Hm. Ok, let's use statistics to analyze your claim. We will focus on the Texans pass defense during Mario's tenure in Houston. I will exclude 2011 because he only played in 5 games. Texans Pass Defensive Rankings with Mario Williams: 2006 - 22nd 2007 - 25th 2008 - 17th 2009 - 18th 2010 - 32nd For an average of 22.8 As you can see, great pass rushers do NOT make "mediocre secondaries look amazing". You are correct about me following the current trend. The NFL has changed.. Playing cornerback/safety/coverage lb is VERY difficult due a widespread change in rules. Having an elite Safety &/or cover LB is probably the most important thing to obtain in today's NFL if you want a successful defense. An elite secondary can make a mediocre passrush look amazing. I hope you realize that now.
I know this will be over your head, but I'd like to point out that you just said "As you can see, great pass rushers do NOT make "mediocre secondaries look amazing" right after talking about teams with just one great pass rusher. Having A pass rusher isn't enough, you need pass rushers, as in plural. Anyway, I'm sure you don't get it and there's really no point arguing with someone like you so I'll just say, have a good evening.
lol you get so MAD when proven wrong. for instance, your response to me when I was clearly was not talking to you. you take defeat like child. #characterflaw
Do you remember who was the defensive coordinator during that time for the Texans...??? Nice example... This past season KC was ranked #25 against the pass but ranked #6 in sacks. St Louis was ranked #19 against the pass but ranked #3 in sacks. The Jets and Denver was ranked #22 and #27 against the pass and both are in the top 15 in sacks. Of course having a good safety is great, but you don't see NFL teams going after safeties before pass rushers. And Richard Sherman is an elite DB and it's not many of those in the NFL so it's hard to use Seattle's secondary as a blueprint.
Plus he was selected in the 5th round. The Seahawks have been free to use their first, second, and third round picks on elite pass rushers. Not to mention they also did a good job of chasing down a pretty good starting QB in the 3rd round, after giving Matt Flynn some millions for no reason at all. Some of this was luck a lot of it was good scouting and finding gems in the rough.
Seattle gets pressure with 4 guys, man. They have a ton of talent on the defensive line. Seattle literally has the fastest 1st line unit in the history of NFL football. They aren't letting Bennett walk because they want to and they signed Avril as a luxury, knowing how important guys up front are. It all starts with the defensive line.
You seem to be under the impression that a season is a single 60-minute contest in February. A team has to win, at minimum, 12 games to be champions; you are not going to win consistently with an average QB in the NFL no matter how good your defense is. What team defies this basic principle? Name them. (Hint: there are none.) Even if you want to reduce Russell Wilson to a game manager (he's not), he's a *great* game manager: highly efficient, mobile (he rushed for more than 500 yards and led the league in rushing yards/attempt, which means he was 1st in R/A; 5th in P/A... but, sure - game manager; no threat whatsoever...) Also, while building a defense obviously isn't a bad idea, you seem to be oblivious to a very simple mathematical fact that doing so requires you to hit on *multiple* picks. The Seahawks have three first-team All-Pros starting on their defense. I don't think anyone here believes a QB alone wins games (and if they do, their opinion should be severely discounted) but that a great QB - a single resource - is no harder, and in some cases, much easier to find than 3-5 top-flight defenders. A great QB makes *everything* easier on your offense (and, frankly, on your defense). Your RBs, WRs and OL can be a smidge less effective if your QB is smart, accurate, quick (release or with his feet)… and if he doesn’t turn it over, well – your defense is improved, too. That’s a single resource literally impacting every phase of the game. The Texans, as currently constructed, have one elite defender and another potential one who can't stay on the field. The rest of their defense - which might collectively be OK - lacks individual, playmaking talent. So building the defense into a Seahawk-level juggernaut… that’s going to take a while. And then it assumes that even with the proper amount of talent, that your coaches can maximize it. A great QB remains the quickest path to NFL success; not a yearly Lombardi - but a yearly chance to win a Lombardi.
I'm not sure you realize this, but the selected portion of my comment that you are responding to was just talking about one game, you chose to not include the rest that was about an entire season, so if you got that impression, it's because you didn't read all of what I wrote. Also, the Ravens, up until this year have won pretty consistently with Average Joe, the Niners have been winning pretty consistently with Kap, the Chiefs won pretty consistently with Smith..... I think the problem here is your preconceived notion of what a game manager is. Expand your mind. You seem oblivious to the very simple fact that the Texans have already "hit" on several "picks" The Texans already have Cushing and Watt.....Clowney could be the third. What a "great QB" can do is irrelevant to this draft class, there isn't a "great QB" available just like there wasn't last year. So the fact that building that defense might "take a while" is reason to reach on a QB? I don't see it. Getting lots of money is the quickest path to becoming rich. Obvious statements are obvious. I'm not questioning that getting a great QB would be awesome, there just aren't any available.
I’ve read most of the thread: 30-40 QBs might have singularly won Super Bowl 48 with Seattle’s defense (it’s patently absurd but I’ll give it to you) – my point is that 30-40 QBs couldn’t have gotten them to Super Bowl 48, which makes your conclusion irrelevant. The Ravens are a fair point. The other two defenses are built around multiple high draft picks (and later round finds) over several drafts. (And let’s not crown the Chiefs just yet, btw.) Again, a good defense can obviously win; you seem to be dismissing that it’s a process that takes potentially years to build. If you think Russell Wilson is a game manager, my mind isn’t the one that needs expanding… They have? Are you counting Watt twice? What picks have they hit on? Cushing, I mentioned – but he can’t stay healthy. Who else? I would suggest that you knowing with any certainty the viability of any player in this (or any other) draft is foolish; you don’t know anything. Nor does anyone else on this board. If you want to specifically argue that Clowney is a sure thing and every QB isn’t – have at it. I don’t pretend to know anything about draft evaluations. But generally speaking, it’s easier/quicker to find a great QB than it is to build a great defense.
Apparently you didn't read the entirety of my post that you responded to since you missed me saying "There is probably a dozen QB's in the NFL that could have won the SB if they happened to be the QB on the Seahawks last year" I never claimed that 30 or 40 QB's could have gotten the Seahawks to the SB this year, but a dozen or so could have. And you are dismissing the fact that the Texans aren't building from scratch, they have already spent years building what they have. You'll learn. I remember several years back arguing with people who thought Mark Sanchez was awesome because he got the Jets to back to back AFC Championship games and broke the record for most road playoff wins by a QB. Right now everyone is just reacting emotionally to the fact that the Seahawks just won the SB. I said "picks" that way for a reason. They have Watt, Cushing, Jackson, Joseph, Manning and Swearinger on the defense already, that's a pretty nice core. Add Clowney and a NT and that's probably a top 3 defense in the NFL. Generally speaking doesn't matter. We're talking about the Texans' situation and it would be a lot easier for them to create a great defense than it would be for them to find a "great QB" in this class.
Cosell seems to really like Clowney and Bridgewater Thinks Clowney is the best player in the draft I think Bridgewater could be a taller Drew Brees clone
Well that's exactly what they thought Brian Brohm was going to be http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/brian-brohm?id=198 We'll see if the Brees/Rodgers comparisons are more accurate this time around. The Combine will be HUGE for Bridgewater IMO.
