Where would you rank Manu Ginobili in the list of all time SG's?

manu is better than carter for sure. Peopple forget how good manu was, he even got some votes from prime Duncan on 2005 finals mvp voting. To me he was the catalyst on that series.

 

How does that matter? As basketball players, at the peak of their abilities, I have no doubt in my mind that Manu was a vastly better player, with better abilities than Ray Allen or Reggie Miller. Better ball handler, better passer, better defender, better at attacking the rim, better playmaker, just a more well rounded, better player.

Ginobili was inconsistent and McGrady and some other SG's were better players at their best, but Ginobili is greater(that's the question, not who was better) because of longevity and team success.

 

Top 5-10 6th man SG would be my generally specific answer.

 

Ginoblli gets far too much credit, great teams, great system. His entire career he only played over 30 MPG twice, and never more than 31. If he was that important he would have been on the court more. Duncan and Parker were the best players.

Jordan
Kobe
West
Drexler
Wade
Iverson
McGrady
Allen
Wilkins
Miller
Goodrich
Richmond
Carter
Dumars

and this was without even looking hard. If guys like T-Mac, Nique and Richmond were the 3rd best player on their teams they would have won a lot more too.

 

Seems to me that you're picking and choosing. You choose to go with who had the greatest peak when you're comparing Manu to Ray Allen and Reggie, and then you turn around and go with longevity when you're comparing Ginobilli to McGrady. You can't have it both ways, and also as I pointed out, even McGrady had a higher longevity than Manu when you look at it through the amount of minutes played - McGrady routinely played 35+ minutes when he was leading Houston and Orlando, something Manu never did. Manu was never the first option on his team, he was never told "Oh hey, we know the team around you sucks, but we need you to drag us to the playoff anyways" which Iverson, Allen, Carter, McGrady, and Miller all did during their careers. Sure, he may have the great advanced stats - but that's like supposing that OKC Harden is better than Houston Harden because OKC Harden's advanced statistics are far better when he was a 6th man.

 

Manu's most outstanding traits are his high BB IQ, clutches and versatility. Those are exactly what you want on a team.

However, he has never carried a team by himself. He's never been big and strong enough to handle the punishment of being the lead scorer. Great player, but he's in the Joe Dumars tier (who did make the All-NBA team and was a Finals MVP).

 

PPl will always think he was great but at being a 6th man or playing 28 to 30 minutes as a starter.

Good 2nd or 3rd option.

 

I agree

 

He was never, ever, ever, ever , ever better than Vince Carter!! People have to think about this two fold, what if Manu was on a different team.

I don't think he could have lead a team by himself, he was not that kind of player. To me, he was a really good role player on a great team. Similar to a Mario Ellie.

Parker is a different story, I think he can lead a team but you can not rate Manu in the same category as some of the top 2 guards to ever play.

 

Carter and Manu are apples and oranges. In his prime, Carter was the best athlete in the NBA. He could kill you on drives, on the break, and on alley-oops, while also being a very capable 3pt shooter and passer. However, Manu has a higher bbIQ and better leadership skills. As a 2nd or 3rd option, I'd prefer Manu. But in his early career Carter was able to consistently beat even double coverage. Manu's never really had to deal with that kind of defensive attention. He's good enough that he'd probably do fine, but he also probably would have had to retire from injuries 3 years ago.

 

Great analogy! Couldn't have said it better....it's plain and simple

 

I like that list, and I would add Earl the Pearl and Pete Maravich. There's probably a couple more I'm missing.

 

(in no particular order ahead of him)
Jordan
Drexler
Gervin
West
Kobe
Allen
Miller

I think you sub him with any of those guys listed above, the Spurs are much better. Would you guys consider Pistol Pete a shooting guard or point?

 

A very good 38mpg is more valuable than a great 29mpg. This isn't difficult, people.

Everything else being equal, would your rather have a pitcher who gives you 33 starts and 230 innings of 2.75 ERA pitching, or one who gives you 25 starts with 175 innings and a 2.45 ERA?

 

Agreed those guys were better. I rate McGrady as a 3. Dominique was a 3.

 

Manu's overall game is better many ahead of him due to defense, but can't carry the offensive load as a #1.

He's somewhere between 10-15

 

I see what you trying to say... But this is overthinking an analogy.....

 

The fact that he played so few minutes is a fact I can't get over. Players play big minutes because their team needs them to in order to win.

The Spurs routinely won with Ginobilli only playing 29 minutes or so. He was a great player make no mistake, but he was clearly a supporting player as opposed to say T-Mac and Carter who both played 42 MPG in the playoffs and were expected to carry a team to wins.

 

special player, brought elegance and grace to the game in a time of a me era, but not just in the nba but internationally. Also, one of the best thespians with so many performances of a lifetime.

 

Wuut?? I don't think you ever saw Drexler play in his prime. He LEAD a team to the NBA finals and made the Blazers a contender for many years. Not sure if a Ginobili, as good as he was, could of lead a championship contender.