Has Omer Asik played his last game as a Rocket already?

Man you guys are a bunch of little girls. Seriously. If he decides to come back, I don't care, embrace the man. He'll only help us from here on out. Don't need to drag out the small stuff and sweep it under the rug. I don't see the point of bickering about it at all. It's out of your hands. Anything you say on here won't matter, its up to the Rockets. Can you just support him as Rocket's fans?

 

I come on to this post to look for relevant Asik news and I have to scroll down 1-2 pages of crying before I can see that one twitter message.

 

Nothing we say here matters.

We discuss trades, statistics, what the coach should do, player drama, etc.

None of it matters. Everything is up to the Rockets and nothing is up to us.

This is no different.

 

2-8-14 Feigen (chron)

"With Omer Asik making his return tonight, Kevin McHale said he will watch how he looks to determine time limits in first game back."

-let's go asik ! Let's see where this team is at with asik in the 2nd unit

 

I am glad his first game back is on the road. It might send him over the edge to get booed at home.

 

Welcome back Asik

 

Somehow you seem to have completely misunderstood what I am saying. I thought it was fairly straightforward... Asik isn't fooling the doctors or the Rockets - they know his true status. But they have no choice but to go along with the charade. Because...

A "relatively minor" injury like a bruised thigh - one that will presumably heal any day - is going to damage his trade value much less than a piss-poor attitude and establishing a rep as someone who will screw the team if he doesn't get what he wants. Injuries come and go, but no one wants a crybaby.

No. Where did you get that from? He showed Feigen his knee in early December - TWO MONTHS AGO - just to establish that it's a real injury. The question is whether he's been injured this whole time or has been pouting the last couple of months.

It is quite convenient that his mysterious injury has miraculously healed right before the trade deadline. You don't find *anything* fishy about that at all?

Somehow you got quite a bit about what I think is going on wrong. I thought it was pretty straightforward and not the least bit implausible. Far more plausible than the mysterious injury that no one's seen for two months and that oddly, no one thought might be worthy of diagnosis by a specialist, even though the Rockets sorely needed his contribution during that span.

Yeah, I've got a bridge to sell you.

If he comes back and accepts his role, plays hard, and contributes - AFTER the trade deadline - then I will forgive and forget. But no more ******* games, he needs to accept his role. No excuses.

 

Everyone needs to make up a conspiracy in order to have something to talk about smh

 

I have a very low tolerance for BS and I have no patience for people who don;t do the job they're paid to do. As I said above, if he comes back and accepts his role and contributes, fine. No more BS, no more complaining, we all know he wants to be somewhere else but it is what it is, and he will help himself most by helping the team.

I've been following the team for a LONG time, probably longer than some here have been alive. Players come and go. My loyalty is not to the players, it's to the team. I respect any player who puts in the work to help the team win, and I have no respect for any player who doesn't.

The ball is in Asik's court now. He decides how this situation develops. He can work hard and increase his value, and the Rockets will work to oblige his desire to relocate. Or he can go back to sulking in a suit and enjoy the last big contract of his career. It's up to him, and I hope he chooses wisely.

 

I did not misunderstand what you said as a whole. The only thing that differs in your rebuttal is that you are saying he actually was injured when Feigen saw his knee, but it healed quickly and he's just been milking it for 2 months.

 

Nice movie poster.

 

Er, no, you understood me to be saying that he had fooled the doctors and the team - that is NOT what I said, not even close.

We knew two months ago that Feigen had seen his knee and that it had swelling. I think that was before you posted a fake picture of his "swollen" knee in this thread, though.

Believe what you want. Asik is pure as the wind-driven snow, and it's all Morey's fault for not wanting to trade him or whatever. I'm not buying it, and I'm not terribly inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt foing forward after this stunt.

As pointed out, though, none of what we here think actually matters - we are merely spectators, that is all, and neither of us will ever know which one was correct.

 

LOL. Your contribution to this thread, post #3:

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=8576484&postcount=3

 

No, that's not what I said. I said what I thought you were saying was that he was trying to fool the team by saying he was injured when he wasn't, but the doctors could clearly see he wasn't injured.

You said that I misunderstood you and said that he was injured at first, but then the Rockets kept the injury story going because he didn't want to play.

And lol about the fake picture I posted. Of course it was fake. I thought the comically large knee would be a dead give away.

Sorry, I just find the whole conspiracy theory ridiculous. You are saying the Rockets are a bunch of liars. The coaches, the training staff, the GM, the players, etc. They are all just lying so that other teams don't think he's just pouting and won't play.

The other GM's are fooled, but some brilliant posters on Clutch Fans aren't fooled one bit by this clear charade.

 

And in that situation what exactly would you expect the team to do? Do you expect Morey to hold a press conference and call Asik out on faking the injury? Uh, yeah, OK.

Yeah, OK. Seemed you were trying to send a message, as you've been making excuses for him in this thread for over a month now.

And I find it ridiculous people believe that a bruise turns into swelling that no one sees for two months, keeping an otherwise healthy 27 year-old off the court at a time when he has made trade demands and has publicly pouted about losing his starting slot, yet which miraculously heals right before the trade deadline...

Yeah, so? As if they are always telling the truth? Are you telling me that Morey always tells the truth? Please, even the coach and the other players have been making comments ridiculing him for his behavior. I don;t think it's even really a secret anymore.

Of course the other GMs aren't fooled. That is why he's still here. The dude screwed himself out of a trade. But no, it's just the balloon payment, that's all...

Believe what you want, it's a moot point right now anyway (assuming he actually plays again, that is). I wasn't born yesterday.

 

The worst thing about losing Asik is the man might well be Dwight's kryptonite. I don't how the practices are run but we do know Asik is the second if not the best defensive center on some nights when he shuts done some of the best opposing big men. Can you imagine him landing on a team where they play the Rockets and Asik does his best against Howard. Imagine this in a playoff series and you get the point.

 

Okay, let me run through this again.

Asik is upset about being Dwight's back-up and wanted to be traded. He plays several games as the back-up center before he gets injured with a thigh contusion. It's a legitimate injury and his knee was legitimately swollen for a short period of time.

But once healed, he decided not to play because he wants to be traded (even though he was playing before the injury). So the Rockets try to trade him and keep the injury story going so that teams don't know that he's not really injured he's just pouting.

Morey then turns down several trades that could get Asik (a guy who refuses to play) off his team and get something in return for him.

So Asik still pretends to be injured until he is traded. But then he decides to come back a week before the trade deadline to show teams that he isn't hurt anymore.

McHale, the rest of the coaches, Morey, the players, the training staff, etc. are all going along with the ruse because they think this will help his trade value.




Is that correct?

 

^^^^ It's not like the man didn't show up at all in the season. There was that game against Memphis where he outshined Dwight this season and we beat them handily and that was with Mark in their lineup.

As mentioned earlier the injury was legit with the thigh contusion working it way down to the knee but that long ago healed and has left Asik just moping.

 

One more thing...


What if Asik comes back tonight, and the trade deadline passes and he isn't traded and he continues to play as Dwight's back-up.

If that happens, then what was the point of the whole faking injury thing? If Asik really is pouting, wouldn't he just refuse to play after the trade deadline?

 

Despite that Lin is an overall better player, Asik is a full fledged 5 with substantial skills making him far more tradeable. Asik can be traded by the end of the season all the way up to the 2015 deadline moreso than Lin. Centers are that rare and I think Asik has proven to be top 3 when not pouting or hurt.