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Smart Drugs (Nootropics)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by SacTown, Feb 7, 2014.

  1. downbytheriver

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    Amen brother. It's all over America like the plague, people are so insecure they're always popping pills instead of living a healthy lifestyle without feelings of envy. I admire competition as much as the next person, but it's gotten to a point where everyone feels they're top of the class, or should be, and pop pills to compete with those much smarter than them. My 14 yr old nephew is already on something similar to HGH, whole football team is. Sign of the degrading cutlure and morals of our time.
     
  2. el gnomo

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    go away troll. your member # ends in 666, you must be working for the devil.
     
  3. tallanvor

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    Intelligence is to vague a concept. Brains are way to complicated to have their aptitude summed up in one variable. For this reason, labeling someone (and therefore their brain) as 'stupid' or 'smart' is ridiculous. Basically there is no way a drug could increase the myriad of aspects that go into a brain's performance. You may be able to increase one aspect, such as memory recall.
     
  4. Mr. Brightside

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger,_Stronger,_Faster*

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  5. Svpernaut

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    I will be the first to admit that I think Nuvigil does give me an unfair advantage. However, without it I do not perform optimally due to my condition. If there are no side effects to the usage of enhancers, I see no problem with it.

    Now, in sport is completely different as an even playing field is inherently important to the integrity of whichever game is being played.
     
  6. TdashDUB

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    Ummm Have you seen the best hair plugs that were available in the 80's???
    Now the worst hair plugs available look better than the best of the 80's.

    Not saying your preferred method doesn't work or isn't any better for you.
    Just saying we shouldn't put much weight into an account that happened 2-3 decades ago. (Also: Not saying you were deliberately linking your "smart pills" experience then to those of now. Just saying, in general)
     
  7. crose

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    How do you go about getting a prescription? Any buzzwords I need to know?
     
  8. MoonDogg

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    It's coming. IMHO, it will be the next step in human evolution. And when it does, there will be people that are on the train and those that aren't.
     
  9. Svpernaut

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    I don't condone lying to get the prescription (because it is illegal) but I will let you know how my interaction went.

    I went to a pulmonologist in my area just by searching online. His website also mentioned Provigil and Nuvigil as treatment methods. I was able to get a same-day appointment. Our entire conversation took maybe 10 minutes, and he barely looked at me. He said, "Let me see your feet, yup they're there." "Let me see your tongue," doesn't even look up... a few more questions like that.

    I told them I didn't smoke (I don't), I only drink 1-2 drinks 1-2 times a week (the truth) and that I had trouble making it through the day because I'd often get sleepy. If you drink a lot, they probably won't give you a prescription. For me, many times after the work day I'd just go to the hotel room and pass out - even skipping dinner. Obviously, this isn't healthy (or fun).

    As I said, our conversation was short and he initially tried to point it to sleep apnea. The problem is, I don't snore and I don't sleep on my back (I'm a drooler, not snorer). I told him I do have trouble sleeping through the night, and wake up every few hours but that was mostly a byproduct of sleeping in hotel rooms I'm unfamiliar with - and not being able to pack a huge fan for white noise into my suitcase. I think he thought my waking up was a sure sign of sleep apnea.

    Anyway, after his first "diagnosis" he said I had two options. Stop working so much, or go through a sleep study - and if it was found I had apnea that they'd give me a CPAP mask. Of course my answers were no, and hell no. I said I can't really cut back on my hours anytime soon, but I'm trying and that since I travel, I simply don't have time for a sleep study. And I have absolutely no interest in sleeping with a contraption on my face.

    At that point the conversation kind of stalled. I kickstarted it back up by saying that I just want to make sure that my current behavior is normal for someone in my position - and he confirmed it was. then, this is where I said - "Is there any kind of medication I could possibly take? I mean I just need to make it through the day. I think I heard an ad on the radio for a shift work disorder?"

    He immediately snapped in, "Oh, you mean Nuvigil? Yeah, I guess that is an option. What we could do is let you try it out for a month and see how it goes." Then he stated we'd start with the 150mg dosage rather than the 250mg and could adjust from there. Two minutes later I had prescription in hand and out the door.

    EDIT: It should also be noted for those that are seeking Adderall. The laws changed last year, and general practitioners can no longer provide prescriptions to Adderall without a psych evaluation. Long story short, they caught on the the college kids eating it like Skittles.
     
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  10. SacTown

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    Svpernaut. Awesome thanks for sharing your story. I agree with you about adderral that stuff is like crack. Havent tried provigil but some of my executive high performer friends swear by it. Its amazing what you can accomplish when awake, alert, and clear during a business meeting or presentation. By the way since you are in to this scene have you tried bulletproof coffee?

    And rocketgirl yes im into the sleep thing as well. Gaba gives me the dreams. Have you tried it?
     
  11. Svpernaut

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    I've never been big on coffee, in the mornings I drink Earl Grey. To be honest, I don't think the extra kick provided by other stuff is needed for me at this point.
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    Gene doping, but we will probably be dead.
     
  13. SacTown

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    Yeah i get that. For me its not about the caffeine. Its the whole breakfast thing that i no longer have to worry about which makes me more efficient and productive. Butter and mct oil and im good till lunch or later.
     
  14. Svpernaut

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    People are already proactively genetically pre-screening embryos, so we'll eventually have a master race.

    EDIT: Forgot this link, World's first genetically modified babies born.

    I just forget to eat now. No big deal, lol.
     
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  15. Invisible Fan

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    I'm in the provajin camp. When I'm feeling down, I'll take some OTC philthinach.

    There's no real substitute for that. We like to cut corners for some odd reason yet waste time scrimped on meaningless BS, such as posting on here.
     
  16. downbytheriver

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    Unfair advantage at what? More efficiency? Higher salary? Is it worth the payoff in brain frequencies in the long run and possible genetic mutations you can pass down to your children?

    Religious talk is mocked on atheist, hedonistic platforms like the internet but it's not God's way for a reason. If you develop a relationship with HIM, and live through those thoughts and hard work, you can be just as efficient without resorting to pill's.

    I laugh at all this master race mumbo jumbo. It's just a sci fi fantasy that goons want locked away in some great government conspiracy. People on the side of good fight with a lot more conviction than those on the side of evil, complacency, drug and steroid taking. We all have too much pride and faith in the world's way to try and mutate our babies based on our fears and insecurities.
     
  17. Svpernaut

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    Genetic mutations? That would be sweet. Maybe I can get some ooze too, I'd really love my own Ninja Turtles.

    I'm a Christian dude, you can leave your Bible thumping at the door. I can do all things through Him, including calling a doctor he helped form and train, who prescribed me drugs he helped bring to being.

    My medications (the only medications I've ever taken in my life outside of when I was sick) help me get through my day and they have had no wide-spread adverse effects in more than 15 years of usage and are a "Godsend" to me. Go cast your stone someone else brother.

    I, like everyone else in the world puts bad crap into my body all the time. Sugar, bacon, beef, starches, beef, bacon, beef, bacon, bacon, bacon, preservatives, etc. This thing I put in my body just happens to have an awesome outcome.

    Either way, the view must be terrific from that high horse.
     
  18. robbie380

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    The lack of sleep thing really sounds worrisome though. There are so many long term cognitive disorders associated with lack of sleep. To me it almost sounds like torture never sleeping.
     
  19. Svpernaut

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    It depends on the person. I've always been a night owl so running on 4-6 hours was a norm for me for years and years. I still sleep 4-6 hours a night, every 4-5 nights I may run on 2-3. Even before this I've been known to pull all-nighters 1-2 times a month.

    With that said, before when I pulled all nighters it would take me 2-3 nights of decent sleep to get back to normal. That isn't the case. Being up 15 hours and sleeping 4 is the same feeling as being up for 36 hours and sleeping for 4. I read up and heard an interview with a doctor about how you enter REM sleep much faster when using it, which helps a ton. Off of it, I rarely enter REM sleep because I toss and turn and wake up every 2 hours or so.

    It really is a tough drug to describe, because it is a totally unique experience.

    You can also easily cut your dosage in half, and it certainly isn't for everyone. I should note, that I love sleeping and skipping helps you get that "good night's rest" if you need to. It isn't a drug you have to take everyday, you can (and most do) take as needed.

    When I'm home on the weekends, if I want to gel out - I won't take any. If I'm not traveling during the week (which adds 12-20 hours to my work week alone), I may only take it on the days I have busy schedule. Like all prescriptions, you have to find the right balance for you.
     
  20. downbytheriver

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    Guy in the video is a ZOMBIE. He's isolated himself from the joy earth has to offer and is numb to understanding he needs the high. PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN is not so far off.
     

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