2014 National Signing Day

Yup. If you go look at the All-SEC teams (or any All-conference teams), there were only a couple of 5 stars. Most of them are made up of 3 and 4 stars. It's all about player development.

Recruiting is fun and certainly a big part of it, but it's largely overrated. If you keep churning out Top 15 classes or so, you have a chance to compete, so long as you develop the players and maybe hit on an underrated gem or two.

 

"Offering" or even "pulling" scholarships to & from HS Freshman is a mug's game anyway; I guess you can pretend to be jilted, but....come on.

I can't imagine there is a single coach who would consider himself so bound if they were in teh same shoes. Hell there's a chance Charlie Strong isn't around in 2016-2020 when these "offers" run their course.

 

yelp... once again the world wide leader in sports has given me bad info and made me look silly on the web. darn.

 

This is the first I've heard about Strong pulling scholarships. Any specifics?

 

Some HS freshman (presently sophomore) OL who Mack told he had an offer. I don't remember his name. It's in one of the threads around here probably.

Maybe bigtexxx will know since he follows these things very closely.

 

Reggie Hemphill, 2016 WR commit, had his scholarship pulled because Strong wasn't comfortable offering kids that young. Also rumors that the 2015 OL class, mainly Garza, were told that their offers may not be honored, so start looking around.

 

Why not? If the kids good enough, how is him having his education taken care of a bad thing? I mean I do think its a little silly to offer a kid that young, but if a coach is confident enough in the kid than I don't see a real problem.

 

Texas did the same thing this year with Kevin Shorter.

 

yeah a lot of schools will do that

A&M is just the loudest trying to take credit for it. I noticed several of my A&M facebook friends sharing that story yesterday.

 

Well, actually you were right.

ESPN was giving that stat based off of their own rankings. The people who came in here and told you that you were wrong were probably looking at other sites such as Rivals, Scout, or 247 Sports.

If you look at the ESPN recruiting rankings for Alabama's classes during Sabans tenure every prospect that ESPN rated a 5 star ended up being a 1st round pick. I think starting in 2010 they began using stars, but prior to that they still had the "grades" which 85 or over is the line to be a 5 star so you just have to look at it that way.

 

That's because A&M fans are aware of the story... because they care more. That's just how it is, dog.

To all the people crying about recruiting rankings not mattering. Look, we get it, they're not 100% accurate, but it's a barometer, the only barometer we have, and it's fun to talk about. So remove the tampons from your assholes please.

 

Who are you talking to?

 

Brando2101, do you still support Mack Brown after knowing what you know now?

 

I think the change was appropriate for the temperature of the fan base and possibly the opinions of future recruits. I think he is still the best option for the program. I don't think strong will be a very good recruiter in Texas. The "change of attitude" is just what people default to when something is not working well. I strongly feel that they would have won the big 12 if Gray would have played against Ok St and Baylor. This is especially true if Ash had not gotten hurt. I'm amazed they won the games they did with Mccoy as QB. This includes a win against OU who later went on to beat Alabama. It's fair to say that they should have had a better backup QB. All the guys that don't get the starting job transfer. Garret Gilbert set the program back quite a bit. They put all their eggs in that basket which seemed like a good move. He was won of the best high school QBs ever. They just have had bad QB play which kills the team.

It's highly debatable as to if he was still good for the program at this point. Your continued assertion that he was always a bad coach is quite frankly, moronic. He is the one responsible for the standards that later led to his demise. 10 win seasons turned into requirements which is because he had so many. You and others attribute his success to VY which seems strange since VY only played as a starter for 2 years. I have heard people say Colt Mccoy was won of the best QBs every which is very very silly. It was just a very good program and worth noting that Colt became the all-time winnings QB in college football history. He has since been passed.

In the end, UT has 2 appearances in a BCS national championship game which none of you can say for your program (Bear excluded). Not one of you can even say that about 1 appearance. They also have a championship which is even more impressive considering how there are so many schools that have won multiple ones. That means that the total number of champions in the BCS era is low. The fact that he only won 1 championship as being a reason to why he is a bad coach is beyond silly. I think it's also silly to say that UT is this god given program that should win all these national championships. The last UT championship was in 1970. It's especially frustrating how the 09 game turned out. Even after losing Mccoy they were still in the game with 6 minutes left in the game. Then all hell broke loss. I'm sorry bear but UT would have beat Alabama. THAT BEING SAID, Colt was knocked out by Cody and that beast of a DL.


I don't think people really want this discussion in this thread. I don't really respect your opinions considering you never really respond to line item points. You just make blanket assertions and never make specific points to back yourself up. Most of your posts are about how UT is bad instead of about whatever team you like. Even your positive posts about A&M are turned into jabs at UT. I don't know why you are so obsessed with the school. It's pretty weird. If there is a single troll on this board, it's you. Texx can be as well but his short posts are more amusing than anything. Your hiatus was so nice. It's unfortunate you have returned.

 

Brando, I respect your opinion on Mack. It still sounds like you're a supporter. Let me comment on some of your remarks here. As for VY, we aren't saying VY was the reason for his success. We ARE saying VY was the reason for his only National Championship. It's hard to give Mack much credit here when we see VY go to the pros and not even be able to read a play book. An intelligent person would see Mack just let VY do whatever he wanted and he happened to run all over college football, typically with broken plays and improvision, especialy in that NC game against USC. I can't give Mack Brown much credit for out coaching Pete Carrol or anything like that. Can you provide an example of what Mack did in that game? Maybe going for it on 4th down? I can't think of anything.

As for Colt Mccoy, etc.. For the amount of talent Mack has had, I would argue any coach could waltz out there with a 10 win season especially with the type of non conference games Texas scheduled during those years. It was basically a cake walk and UT had superior talent to everyone in the conference aside from OU, so I can give Mack credit for recruiting that Talent, but not coaching it. It's also clear he never groomed his guys well for the NFL. There was a report recently that NFL programs were cautious of Texas players because of this.

Not sure what the amount of BCS championships my team or the teams of other people who see through Mack Brown have to do with anything. I went to the University of Houston, but even if UH won 10 national championships that would not change my opinion of Mack Brown. You're just being a typical, smug, arrogant Longhorn fan in this instance and it's not productive to the debate to throw in those jabs about "our" programs and their lack of success. So your true colors and bias come out here a bit and it sheds light on the way you process information.

Do you respect Major's opinions? I sure do, and he's a longhorn supporter but yet he has the same stance as I do on Mack Brown. Especially with all the truth about Mack that has come out recently about how much he was in the goold ol' boys network at Texas, the lack of discipline at Texas and the fact that players have to be told not to wear Dr Dre Beats to class, and how he was more of a community organizer and a fat cat vs. a coach. His assistants coached, he played politics.

You can call me a troll or whatever you want but I just intelligently responded to all of your points and on top of that, you are the ONLY Mack Brown supporter on this bbs, so you are basically outnumbered here. I'm actually shocked that you still support Mack after what we know now. Even though people may not like the way I come across sometimes I'd bet you'd be tough to find any reasonable poster who would take the same stance on Mack Brown as you do - the majority would side with me on this one.

 

Not to downplay this practice, but it only counts against scholarship limits for the first year. After that, it can qualify as medical hardship or something like that. Kudos to the schools, though.

 

I don't really care to have this same conversation over and over especially since Mack is gone. I think the weaknesses of VY in the pros only makes it more clear how good the coaching and play calling was for VY to make him successful in college. People don't seem to get that a lot of those runs were called Zone Reads based on what the defense was doing and the talent level of that team. There were a lot of players that went on to the NFL and have done well. Jamal Charles, Justin Blalock, Tim Crowder, Brandon Foster, Cedric Griffin, Michael Griffin, Tarell Brown, Michael Huff, Nate Jones, Derek Lokey, Frank Okam, Aaron Ross and a **** ton of others. I don't really care to look all of them up. Also, there are a lot of teams that have exceptional players out there that win championships. That does not mean their coaches deserve little credit.

Any coach could walk out with 10 win seasons? Then why didn't they? Texas had the most wins of any college team for a decade. They were the most consistent program. Of course you can say that they didn't get far enough but there are a lot of other programs that have as much talent that could no do what Mack did. Colt was also not a great QB. He was pretty good but it was the system and the overall team that made that team. If the team does well, it's not because of Mack. If the team does not do well, it is because of Mack.

My true bias? To say that the success of a program is never relevant is silly. You are the one who is saying Mack was a bad coach. Analyzing what he was able to do in that time is relevant. The fans of programs who have not won that belittle a coach that did what their team couldn't is very very relevant. If it's so easy than why couldn't your coaches do it?

Major has his own opinion. He is not the be all end all of longhorn evaluations (and he doesn't think he is). Just because an opinion is in a minority does not make it false.