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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by solid, Dec 18, 2013.

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  1. endoftheworld

    endoftheworld Member

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    Love me some Johnny, I think he is a great guy and the off season stuff was over blown

    Just don't want him as qb at all
     
  2. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    This is a good argument until you watch the game. Blake Bortles was pressured 13 times and only completed 3. If you want to add a screen that was designed to get pressure he was 14-4. He only completed 1 pass under pressure in the last drive. It was a nice 12 yard completion but his TD pass was a roll out with no pressure to a wide open reciever.

    Teddy Bridgewater on the other hand was pressured 22 times and completed 18 of them. He completed to passes under pressure for over 20 yds each and 2 TD passes under pressure. he was sacked once, didn't count it because he didn't pass. He completed a higher percentage of his third down passes as well.

    If you watch the game you also see Teddy has better footwork than Blake has a quicker release and is a little quicker than Blake. The funny thing is Bridgewater throws a perfect pass to his tightend and he fumbles at he goal line give the ball back to UCF. Later the score is 28-7 with 6 minutes left in the third quarter Blake Bortles throw a pass downfield that his receiver make a great catch on but barely makes it in bounds. The rule inconclusive evidence to overturn the completion.

    If either of those things do not happen the Cardinals win. Bridgewater is still strong in the Heisman talk. They go to a BCS bowl game and Bridgewater destroys Baylor and very few on here are questioning who the Texans should pick. A fraction of an inch on either where the ball goes out of bounds or the reciever's foot lands and we are talking differently about Bridgewater. Something to think about.

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  3. Uprising

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    Posts like this make me lawl.

    I'm not a jersey guy....but if he's the QB I will probably get my first jersey. There's just something about him, that would make it that much more exciting to me. (plus I'm finally moving to Houston in 3 weeks)

    I have tons of shirts, hats, Texans license plate frames, decal, and Game day car window flags, and Texans wall decorations etc...

    But...I'm fine with whoever they do draft, I can't wait till Football Sundays....
     
  4. ima_drummer2k

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    He's apparently been very involved with this child (cancer survivor) and his family since before he won the Heisman. And he has kept it on the down-low.

    AWESOME of Manziel to do that for them.

    More pics here
     
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    You can always find "if this or that would have happened" plays in a game that would have changed the outcome of the game. Tom Brady has championship rings because of situations like that.

    But none of this gives reasons on why O'Brien wouldn't like Bortles. But I'm about performance as well as attributes and tools and Johnny has both of these guys beat in that department.
     
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    Hey hey hey.

    I'm on board the Teddy B train, but let's keep Baylor out of this. :)
     
  9. Old Man Rock

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    That was the least important thing I said. Watch the game. If I didn't know who these quarterbacks were and I watched this and only this game I would come away with the kid in the red as the better prospect. And it's not even that close. Whenever Bortles is rushed his footwork goes to crap. 3-13 under pressure. And it's not just this game, it's every game. He is a great QB without pressure but Derek Carr is better. With pressure they both crumble. The difference is Bortles is a better runner.

    You got to watch the games Remii. You can't just say Louisville's D is better and that makes Bortles the better QB. Whether or not Louisville's D is better Bridgewater was under more pressure and handled it much much better. 18 for 22 and one of them was the last play of the game, when he threw a perfect 50 yard pass into end zone only UCF had six guys back there defending it.

    You got to watch the games and not just glance at them. I don't understand why you refuse to see the talent in Bridgewater. It's like your a troll for one of the other QB's with an agenda or maybe he is just too black for you. Okay I don't believe you because I see you in the Rockets GARM and you have never said anything to make me think that.

    I'm not accusing you of that just I don't get you. I've seen you make some intelligent observations and yet can not see the talent in this kid. It's better to go back to your theory his hands are too small and he is too skinny because there is absolutely no way you can say he has less talent than Bortles. Not if you truly watch the games.

    Bortles progressions are better than some but not as good as Bridgewaters. Bortles doesn't look off his recievers the TB does. Maybe Bortles throws a little better with no pressure. But that tells you nothing about his ability at the next level. At the next level every thing is quicker and only the QB's that can read defenses and react fast succeed. Bortles is not that guy right now and he is a year older than Bridgewater. I guarantee you O'Brien sees that and a whole lot more of those problems Bortles has.
     
  10. Remii

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    I said I can understand IF O'Brien wants Bortles out of the quarterbacks in this draft... I never said Bortles was better than Teddy... But I wouldn't touch either one of those guys _ progression reads and poise in the pocket playing in a Mickey Mouse conference without big time pressure doesn't impress me enough to burn a #1 pick on them when Jimmy Garoppolo is probably just as good.

    And I d@mn sure don't know what you mean by "Too Black."
     
  11. Remii

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    Matt Lienart says hi... And Kaepernick & Cam says wuz up... So That's not necessarily true.
     
  12. endoftheworld

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    Why bring up Leinart???

    He had no work ethic or desire to improve
     
  13. Remii

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    And how do you know that...??? You can't chalk up a guy not being successful in the NFL because of work ethic and desire. Sometimes it just boils down to ability and talent level and Leinart lacked in both, BUT in college he was excellent at reading defenses and had poise in the pocket _ and those are the reasons you and others are beating your drums for Teddy and kicking Johnny to the curb but yet those things do not guarantee success in the NFL.

    Vick had a terrible work ethic when he was young and couldn't read defenses and all he did was win games and get Atlanta to the NFC championship. Vick had ability and talent level and Johnny has both Teddy and Blake beat in those categories like a drum. He has what the other quarterbacks in this draft can't learn.

    I got news for you all of this "being able to go through progressions" stuff in college isn't that big of deal because in the NFL against NFL defenses, a majority of the time when a QB drops back to pass _ they usually only have time to make 1 or 2 reads anyway. That's why the #1 receiving option on a team usually have the most targets. Heck, Kubiak ran a 2 read offense _ Dre and O.D. with Foster as a check down option.
     
  14. Progs

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    Wade Phillips said he would take Manziel.
     
  15. htown1984

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    yea he was on 610 radio and said when he did hes interview with the Mcnairs, he told them that they should draft Manziel :)
     
  16. Remii

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    Very interesting coming from a defensive coordinator.
     
  17. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    He just wants attention from Houston fans. He loves attention, especially from this city. We all know damn well he'd be taking Clowney.
     
  18. htown1984

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    they asked him that.. They told him being that your a DC coordinator we would assume you take Clowney, but he said a lot of teams actually do look
    at need more than BPA... He told Mcnair straight up, that Manziel should be the pick.. the radio guys should have pressed him on that.. they should have tried to find out what the Mcnairs thought about it, but they really didint ask much after that.
     
  19. MadMax

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    ...who was not hired by the guy he made the statement to.
     
  20. Progs

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    I want the Texans to draft Manziel but not sure if Wade really believes that. Maybe he told management what he thought they wanted to hear.
     
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