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Post some things you do that you believe to be wrong, but do anyway

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by dharocks, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Yonkers

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    I'm reformed in a lot of the stuff I used to do.

    I used to pirate DirecTV and program those cards for about 2 years. It got too complicated and I've been a real customer for the past 10 years. Now I'm buying the entire premium package so they've definitely made their money back.

    I used to pirate games. Now that it's really easy to buy off of Steam, etc, I buy all my games.

    I used to download MP3s. Now that streaming music is so easy to get, I have a Spotify subscription.

    I still download ebooks if I can find them easily. Otherwise I will buy them on Amazon. So not totally reformed yet.

    I still download applications that are real expensive but I don't use often, like Photoshop.
     
  2. BDswangHTX

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    sounds like your reformation correlates with a possible rise in income??
     
  3. Yonkers

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    No doubt. You're right. But I think a big correlation is also with how easy it is to get something and how cheap it is too.
    Spotify is $10 a month and I can get nearly every song I want. Plus hear a lot of songs I would never have thought to search for and download from Napster. I would feel guilty not to use something like it nowadays.
    As for games, I don't buy a lot of newer games but you can buy older games for such big discounts nowadays. Not much of an excuse to pirate anymore.
    Same can be said about ebooks generally, I guess. But not everyone is perfect. lol. To my defense, a lot of books don't have ebook equivalents but you can find PDF versions that fans have scanned.
     
  4. Johndoe804

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    I never do anything that's "wrong", in my opinion, at least.
     
  5. macalu

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    this thread reminds of a quote i once read, "never make yourself an exception." i torrent music and software. when my bike got stolen a few months ago i recalled that quote and i didn't get angry. what comes around goes around. life evens out.
     
  6. Yonkers

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    Pay it backwards? :)
     
  7. Blurr#7

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    I never put the seat down.
     
  8. macalu

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    lol, you could say that. the quote just gave me a bit of an epiphany. am i really that different from the bike thief? all this time i've pirated and downloaded media that i didn't pay for. how can i get pissed when my own property is taken?
     
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  9. sugrlndkid

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    Still put chewing gum underneath tables...:)
     
  10. K-Low_4_Prez

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    I hate you!
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  11. Hmm

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    Dismiss people in my personal life - though I try to be nice and polite about it, depending on the circumstances - or berate them if they insist... for their incompatible settled mediocrity and burdensome, or what I perceive to be... easily correctable and obvious, though costly flaws, that they seem infuriatingly disinterested in, or incapable of fully acknowledging let alone surpassing....

    In some circumstances, however... I don't feel at all wrong about it... After all, if one is content with their poor manner and behavior... they should be content with the results of said manner and behavior...
     
  12. Panda23

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    maybe you didnt notice because you were cuming so hard your glasses fell off ;)

    frankie boyle
     
  13. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Fap to the pron minutes after the GF leaves despite having an intimate time.
     
  14. SacTown

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    Actually, vegetarians kill more animals than meat eaters:

    http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

    Ordering the vegetarian meal? There’s more animal blood on your hands

    The ethics of eating red meat have been grilled recently by critics who question its consequences for environmental health and animal welfare. But if you want to minimise animal suffering and promote more sustainable agriculture, adopting a vegetarian diet might be the worst possible thing you could do.

    Renowned ethicist Peter Singer says if there is a range of ways of feeding ourselves, we should choose the way that causes the least unnecessary harm to animals. Most animal rights advocates say this means we should eat plants rather than animals.

    It takes somewhere between two to ten kilos of plants, depending on the type of plants involved, to produce one kilo of animal. Given the limited amount of productive land in the world, it would seem to some to make more sense to focus our culinary attentions on plants, because we would arguably get more energy per hectare for human consumption. Theoretically this should also mean fewer sentient animals would be killed to feed the ravenous appetites of ever more humans.

    But before scratching rangelands-produced red meat off the “good to eat” list for ethical or environmental reasons, let’s test these presumptions.

    Published figures suggest that, in Australia, producing wheat and other grains results in:

    at least 25 times more sentient animals being killed per kilogram of useable protein
    more environmental damage, and
    a great deal more animal cruelty than does farming red meat.
    How is this possible?

    Agriculture to produce wheat, rice and pulses requires clear-felling native vegetation. That act alone results in the deaths of thousands of Australian animals and plants per hectare. Since Europeans arrived on this continent we have lost more than half of Australia’s unique native vegetation, mostly to increase production of monocultures of introduced species for human consumption.

    Most of Australia’s arable land is already in use. If more Australians want their nutritional needs to be met by plants, our arable land will need to be even more intensely farmed. This will require a net increase in the use of fertilisers, herbicides, pesticides and other threats to biodiversity and environmental health. Or, if existing laws are changed, more native vegetation could be cleared for agriculture (an area the size of Victoria plus Tasmania would be needed to produce the additional amount of plant-based food required).


    Australian cattle eat mostly pasture, reducing their environmental impact. chris runoff
    Most cattle slaughtered in Australia feed solely on pasture. This is usually rangelands, which constitute about 70% of the continent.

    Grazing occurs on primarily native ecosystems. These have and maintain far higher levels of native biodiversity than croplands. The rangelands can’t be used to produce crops, so production of meat here doesn’t limit production of plant foods. Grazing is the only way humans can get substantial nutrients from 70% of the continent.

    In some cases rangelands have been substantially altered to increase the percentage of stock-friendly plants. Grazing can also cause significant damage such as soil loss and erosion. But it doesn’t result in the native ecosystem “blitzkrieg” required to grow crops.

    This environmental damage is causing some well-known environmentalists to question their own preconceptions. British environmental advocate George Monbiot, for example, publically converted from vegan to omnivore after reading Simon Fairlie’s expose about meat’s sustainability. And environmental activist Lierre Keith documented the awesome damage to global environments involved in producing plant foods for human consumption.

    In Australia we can also meet part of our protein needs using sustainably wild-harvested kangaroo meat. Unlike introduced meat animals, they don’t damage native biodiversity. They are soft-footed, low methane-producing and have relatively low water requirements. They also produce an exceptionally healthy low-fat meat.

    In Australia 70% of the beef produced for human consumption comes from animals raised on grazing lands with very little or no grain supplements. At any time, only 2% of Australia’s national herd of cattle are eating grains in feed lots; the other 98% are raised on and feeding on grass. Two-thirds of cattle slaughtered in Australia feed solely on pasture.

    To produce protein from grazing beef, cattle are killed. One death delivers (on average, across Australia’s grazing lands) a carcass of about 288 kilograms. This is approximately 68% boneless meat which, at 23% protein equals 45kg of protein per animal killed. This means 2.2 animals killed for each 100kg of useable animal protein produced.

    Producing protein from wheat means ploughing pasture land and planting it with seed. Anyone who has sat on a ploughing tractor knows the predatory birds that follow you all day are not there because they have nothing better to do. Ploughing and harvesting kill small mammals, snakes, lizards and other animals in vast numbers. In addition, millions of mice are poisoned in grain storage facilities every year.

    However, the largest and best-researched loss of sentient life is the poisoning of mice during plagues.


    With its soft feet and low water use, kangaroo is a source of less ecologically damaging meat. No Dust
    Each area of grain production in Australia has a mouse plague on average every four years, with 500-1000 mice per hectare. Poisoning kills at least 80% of the mice.

    At least 100 mice are killed per hectare per year (500/4 × 0.8) to grow grain. Average yields are about 1.4 tonnes of wheat/hectare; 13% of the wheat is useable protein. Therefore, at least 55 sentient animals die to produce 100kg of useable plant protein: 25 times more than for the same amount of rangelands beef.

    Some of this grain is used to “finish” beef cattle in feed lots (some is food for dairy cattle, pigs and poultry), but it is still the case that many more sentient lives are sacrificed to produce useable protein from grains than from rangelands cattle.

    There is a further issue to consider here: the question of sentience – the capacity to feel, perceive or be conscious.

    You might not think the billions of insects and spiders killed by grain production are sentient, though they perceive and respond to the world around them. You may dismiss snakes and lizards as cold-blooded creatures incapable of sentience, though they form pair bonds and care for their young. But what about mice?

    Mice are far more sentient than we thought. They sing complex, personalised love songs to each other that get more complex over time. Singing of any kind is a rare behaviour among mammals, previously known only to occur in whales, bats and humans.

    Girl mice, like swooning human teenagers, try to get close to a skilled crooner. Now researchers are trying to determine whether song innovations are genetically programmed or or whether mice learn to vary their songs as they mature.


    “Hoping to prepare them for an ethical oversight” Nikkita Archer
    Baby mice left in the nest sing to their mothers — a kind of crying song to call them back. For every female killed by the poisons we administer, on average five to six totally dependent baby mice will, despite singing their hearts out to call their mothers back home, inevitably die of starvation, dehydration or predation.

    When cattle, kangaroos and other meat animals are harvested they are killed instantly. Mice die a slow and very painful death from poisons. From a welfare point of view, these methods are among the least acceptable modes of killing. Although joeys are sometimes killed or left to fend for themselves, only 30% of kangaroos shot are females, only some of which will have young (the industry’s code of practice says shooters should avoid shooting females with dependent young). However, many times this number of dependent baby mice are left to die when we deliberately poison their mothers by the millions.

    Replacing red meat with grain products leads to many more sentient animal deaths, far greater animal suffering and significantly more environmental degradation. Protein obtained from grazing livestock costs far fewer lives per kilogram: it is a more humane, ethical and environmentally-friendly dietary option.

    So, what does a hungry human do? Our teeth and digestive system are adapted for omnivory. But we are now challenged to think about philosophical issues. We worry about the ethics involved in killing grazing animals and wonder if there are other more humane ways of obtaining adequate nutrients.

    Relying on grains and pulses brings destruction of native ecosystems, significant threats to native species and at least 25 times more deaths of sentient animals per kilogram of food. Most of these animals sing love songs to each other, until we inhumanely mass-slaughter them.

    Former Justice of the High Court, the Hon. Michael Kirby, wrote that:

    “In our shared sentience, human beings are intimately connected with other animals. Endowed with reason and speech, we are uniquely empowered to make ethical decisions and to unite for social change on behalf of others that have no voice. Exploited animals cannot protest about their treatment or demand a better life. They are entirely at our mercy. So every decision of animal welfare, whether in Parliament or the supermarket, presents us with a profound test of moral character”.

    We now know the mice have a voice, but we haven’t been listening.

    The challenge for the ethical eater is to choose the diet that causes the least deaths and environmental damage. There would appear to be far more ethical support for an omnivorous diet that includes rangeland-grown red meat and even more support for one that includes sustainably wild-harvested kangaroo.
     
  15. SacTown

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    Rdio is free
     
  16. egr281

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    I smoke green
    Im guilty of pirating media
     
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    I hate condoms. Come on bill gates revolutionize that thing!

    And I text and drive sometimes.
     
  18. Rox11

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    Being an asshoo
     
  19. Rocketman95

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    Flick boogers on the bathroom stall whilst pooping.
     
  20. Deckard

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    I drink Diet Coke. I know, I'm a horrible person. Also, I can't remember the last time I used a condom. Being with the same chick for 30+ years might have something to do with it, but before I met her, there wasn't a sexually transmitted disease (that anyone was aware of) that couldn't be cured with a shot. Most of the women I met were on the Pill, so it wasn't an issue that came up very often.
     

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