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CSN Updates Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by J.R., Nov 21, 2013.

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  1. Granville

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    Too bad you said this a couple of days ago....

    I personally expect the case to get dismissed and the contract blows up.
     
  2. Castor27

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    Yes because all the other parties were doing that too. So I guess it is his responsibility to make CSN-H good, even if it costs his other entities in the long run.


    Yep Comcast got all they asked for, wait no the didn't. As of right now there is no outside administrator, and we won't have any idea what type of restructuring the judge will want until at least Friday, and probably not even then. AS has been pointed out already multiple times in this thread, the Astros still have several moves that will free them of this mess.
    And I have stated many times before, in this thread, I blame everyone involved. There are things they all could have done to avoid or fix things.
     
  3. Major

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    The deal that was mentioned by Comcast in bankruptcy was the deal that was offered all along and that you and Comcast wanted him to accept. Your entire basis for criticizing Crane is that he was stubborn in not accepting the deal. Now, the judge says he it was reasonable for Crane to not accept the deal and that the deal sucked.

    All your criticism of Crane's decisions after are based on the fact that Crane was in the wrong at the start and thus was the troublemaker. Except now that position doesn't hold. If Crane was reasonable in not accepting the only deal that Comcast offered, then everything you have argued about Crane falls apart.

    Is your position now that Crane - the largest owner of the network and one that was specifically given veto power in the initial agreement - was obligated to accept a crappy deal because his partners wanted it? And that his own interests are irrelevant?
     
  4. Granville

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    My position is that you were dead wrong about the outcome of the Astros motion to dismiss.

    So if your opinion of the Judge's comments are accurate why were you so wrong about him dismissing the case?
     
  5. Castor27

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    He is not going to answer that question. It has been asked at least 3 times now and he has circled around it each time. I have resigned myself to not trying to debate anything with him any longer. I am simply going to do what he does, but in a more efficient manner, so as to not waste anyone's time reading large amounts of crap. I am simply going to say "You're Wrong" as my argument every time. I am not going to back it up with anything and I am not going to answer any questions or prove any points. I am simply going to state that and go with the assumption that I am correct and anyone that disagrees with me is wrong. Then if by chance someone agrees with me, I'll give them a pat on the back post and continue on my way.
     
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    The bickering in this thread has gone beyond asinine.

    The bottom line is that CSN is no closer to getting widespread coverage than it was before all of this mess. In fact, its more fractured now than ever... as the single biggest entity that the channel depends on the most to survive (the Astros) wants out of there and will likely be able to revoke their rights if they continue to not be paid and if they continue to have veto power to prevent a deal.

    CSN won't be able to exist without the Astros... yet won't be able to get any widespread distribution with the Astros, which will cause the channel to cease to exist as is.

    Sounds like everybody should walk away, instead of all this posturing.
     
  7. tellitlikeitis

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    Boy, this thread got D&D'd badly.
     
  8. The Beard

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    If you are not a fan of either the Astros or the Rockets, and you hate Jim Crane, then yes you are right

    If you are a fan of the Astros or Rockets, this helps nothing . .doesn't help TV coverage, and certainly doesn't help revenue steams for the franchises long term health
     
  9. bobrek

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    How do you reconcile that the judge "saw through it" with this?

    "Isgur doesn’t say Crane wrong in rejecting Comcast carriage deals: “I think they (Comcast) were presenting rotten business deals to him.”"

    Appears to me that the judge acknowledged that Crane was receiving rotten business deals from Comcast.
     
  10. Granville

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    As stated by someone else this is close to what the Rockets wanted. If Judge removes Crane from a having a vote then this won't really take that long.
     
  11. Refman

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    If you read that in connection with everything else I have said about the merits of the case, you would come away with I expected it to be dismissed. You would not come away with there is no chance the case stays open. You are grasping at straws big time.
     
  12. Granville

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    Because the judge also said that Crane had an interest in the Network failing too.
     
  13. Refman

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    Unless having it tied up in an appeal to the District Court and then to the Fifth Circuit falls within your definition of not taking long, you're probably wrong.
     
  14. Granville

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    Nice of you to admit you were wrong again.
     
  15. Granville

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    Maybe but I won't be base that on your opinion.
     
  16. The Beard

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    Granville,

    Please understand that this thread is about csn, the Astros and the Rockets

    It isn't about which poster is "right"

    It isn't about someone on here trying to make someone else admit they are wrong

    It's about csn, the Astros and Rockets

    Or it was supposed to be anyway
     
  17. Refman

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    Oh I am so hurt.
     
  18. tellitlikeitis

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    The Internet can get rather serious at times.
     
  19. bobrek

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    So you agree that Crane was getting nothing but bad deals from CSN (as per the judge's comments)?

    That being the case, why would you expect him to agree to bad deals?
     
  20. Granville

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    No I don't. Just trying to say that the Judge had several opinions and based on everything left the case where it belonged.
     
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