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Philip Seymour hoffman Died??

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by dandorotik, Feb 2, 2014.

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  1. stipendlax

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    Whether it is legal or not is irrelevant. You're still causing harm to your body. By this logic, people who die of liver failure due to alcohol or lung cancer due to cigarettes are given a pass because it's legal.
     
  2. Falcons Talon

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    I'm aware of that. Almost anything in excess is harmful. But drugs are illegal for a reason. Case in point...

    I don't recall the last time i heard of overeating, smoking, or drinking causing a sudden death. Maybe if they shot it directly INTO THEIR VEINS.
     
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  3. Surfguy

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    Does it soften it a bit for you if I say "he died like a loser junkie"? At that moment, he was a loser junkie imo and died like one. That's what I meant. A great man with a fatal flaw. Don't try explaining why he picked up the needle. I will never understand. But, he did and it came with a price. I guess you could say I'm mad at him. He robbed us of some great roles in the future and he robbed himself of his profession, family, and life. In his defense, I don't think he meant to and was at a low point being separated from his lady/kids that he felt he needed a pick-me-up. I don't think it's comfortable for someone like him to be experiencing any lows because I think his life (outside of drugs) was a high in itself.
     
  4. fallenphoenix

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    never heard of alcohol poisoning? there's plenty of examples of people dying from over eating. besides, what difference does it make if the death is immediate or prolonged?

    in case you go ahead and say you weren't talking about drinking alcohol, people have died from drinking too much water. just because you don't recall examples doesn't mean they aren't out there.
     
  5. Falcons Talon

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    i think i covered that when i said almost anything in excess is harmful.
     
  6. fallenphoenix

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    i don't see the point you're trying to make then
     
  7. Falcons Talon

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    The **** that killed him is illegal for a reason. Toxic **** that can kill you without warning. Doesn't necessarily have to be in excess. He gambled with his life and lost, and left children behind, not to mention all the distraught cf'ers. I'm with surfguy. He made a choice to now his children have to live with the effects of that choice. For a fix.
     
  8. Torn n Frayed

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    If you've never been down there….it's hard to explain why you would do that. For me I came close, was going through divorce and just didn't want to feel anything anymore. That was why I wanted to do that but luckily didn't follow though with it or I am sure I wouldn't be here now.
     
  9. fallenphoenix

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    yes, the heroin you get on the streets is filthy. cut with anything under the sink. there's medical grade heroin that's pure. there are clinics in amsterdam that give out pure heroin and clean needles to junkies, so they aren't injecting that cut toxic mess you get on the streets. clean heroin that is not used in excess won't kill you (unless you're allergic of course.) i agree that it should be illegal, the addictive properties of heroin alone are enough to ruin lives let alone the uncleanliness of the products you find in the states.

    i'm not advocating the use of heroin

    DON'T DO DRUGS, KIDS!
     
  10. Falcons Talon

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    Some people are just stronger than others. Going through my divorce and finding out my mother has frontal temporal dementia, I sunk into a depression. Took about a good month to get through it, and one night in particular, I felt like I didn't want to continue one more day, but I did, pulled myself out of it, and am stronger for it. Yes, I do smoke my cowboy killers, and enjoy my whisky, but never sunk so low as to shoot up. And yes, I have been offered in Vegas.
     
  11. B-Bob

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    Sidelinin' as a country singer?
     
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    People can definitely beat it. But I think there is really strong scientific evidence for genetic predisposition to addiction.
     
  13. Torn n Frayed

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    No question that some are stronger than others! I had a solid month where from the time I woke up and my feet hit the floor til I went back to bed all I could do was cry, grief stricken over the loss of my marriage. Hell. I never want to go back...
     
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    Stay strong my friend.
     
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    If you're hooked into machines to breathe or retain liver function at the end of the road, you may recant your idea that doing heroin is bad because you can instantly die versus the long, slow death that you put upon yourself.

    If you're poisoning yourself, fast or slow, it's selfish if you have anyone else relying on you.
     
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    I'm guessing you wouldn't have even contemplated it if the opportunity wasn't there because you have no idea what it would feel like having never done it so why would the possibility even come up unless someone opened you up to the possibility. It sounds like you were hanging with some suspect characters/friends who are a bad influence. I'm happy for you that you chose not to partake.
     
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    I guess we won't seymour Hoffman.




    Perhaps a bad joke :(
     
  18. Torn n Frayed

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    Yes it was that, hanging with a stripper who gave me C for free at first lead me down that path. She really tired to get to me try Meth and I knew better than that having been around tweekers in the 90's. This was early 2005. Some of the things I was around back then, I can't unsee them.
     
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    Decriminalize Heroin?

    Rocket River
     
  20. dandorotik

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    These things can recur. Mine was alcohol. Hadn't touched it since 1991. Several years ago, a period of time, maybe 5 months, when my dog was dying of cancer, I thought I wasn't going to have money to pay for my son's college, a rent situation in which we were accused of damage we did not do, and a slow, slow period in my business in which I had close to $2,000 in overdraft charges (vicious cycle where every day, bills were due and the money coming in was always short). I went back to the bottle. I couldn't wait for 7 AM to get there so I could go to the supermarket and get whatever kind of wine I was in the mood for. Driving around intoxicated, sold my entire CD and DVD collection (we're talking 1000s), etc. I was a despicable human being for 5 months. And then it stopped one day, don't remember how. I just I realized I had a greater purpose in life. Never went back there. It's always lurking, though. It's an everyday triumph- every day you stay sober is a victory.
     

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