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Uncle Bob praises Clowney.

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Raven, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Remii

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    I don't believe the Texans had another player on the team like J.J. and a super bowl winning defensive coordinator when they drafted Mario. Last year showed us that J.J. can't do it by himself and obviously Mario couldn't either.
     
  2. HTown_DieHard

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    You missed the point, slick.

    Many of you clown3y fanatics simply ignore russell wilson's greatness. No way in hell do they accomplish what they did w out Wilson. Get a franchise qb, and then everything else falls into place.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    You are exactly right, but there are some very simple people out there that believe that the QB is the end all be all of a football team and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. Last year Average Joe's team won the SB, this year a game manager with wheels is the "SB winning QB". If Flacco and Wilson aren't enough to change people's minds, it's just not going to happen.
     
  4. Raven

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  5. Rudyc281

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    You don't say
     
  6. Rudyc281

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    Sorry I was referring to the stat
     
  7. Remii

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    I'm not ignoring Russell _ just like I'm not ignoring what Seattle's defense did to one of the greatest QBs of all time who had a plethora of weapons like you are doing.

    And I'm not a Clowney fanatic. Just would rather have him (Or Sammy Watkins _ Percy Harvin effect) over reaching for Blake, Teddy, or Johnny.
     
  8. Remii

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    It's the Matt Schaub/Gary Kubiak effect.
     
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    Let's not ignore that Flacco went on an unbelievable hot streak in the playoffs ( call it "clutch factor" or whatever you want) similar to what Eli Manning did. He resembled an elite QB in the playoffs.

    Wilson may not put up big numbers but he is more than a game manager. He is a very effective decision maker that can read defenses and his running ability is obviously huge. They also have what is probably one of the top 10 greatest defenses of all time, and as we have seen an all time great defense can overcome a lot (2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs). There are more great QBs that come along than there are defenses that are mentioned as all-time great.

    My point is...

    It's still proven that having a great QB (or at least great QB play in the playoffs) makes it a whole lot easier to win big and it is still the most important position on the team. See the Saints and Packers SB runs, and the Patriots decade of SB wins and near wins. If you don't have one, you'd better be doing whatever you can to get one and the Texans might be able to get themselves one in this draft (don't ask me who, I haven't seen any of these guys enough). Yes, you still need one of the league's top defenses to win it all, but QB is just as important. Even if the #1 pick looks to be more like Flacco, Roethlisberger, or Wilson than Rodgers or Brady, you still have to take that chance
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Let's not ignore the fact that luck played a huge part in that "clutch" playoff performance where he threw pass after pass up for grabs and his guy always seemed to be able to come down with it.

    Let's also not ignore the fact that Flacco was a worse QB than the Schaub/Keenum tandem the Texans had this year. It's exactly why you don't pay someone like that for a fluke.

    This statement is true, he's a game manager with above average to good scrambling ability.


    I would quote the rest of your post but it was nonsense. Defense wins championships. Period. Feel free to glamorize QB play, but that's not what wins championships.
     
  11. DieHard Rocket

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    So you think the Seahawks still win this year with Tavaris Jackson at QB?

    You're really oversimplifying it. Football has too many moving parts to make blanket statements like that. An all-time great defense can win you a championship almost by itself, yes, but there are only a handful of examples of that in NFL history. Those defenses are hard to build and even harder to keep together.

    It's not easy to find great QBs either, and I'm not trying to glamorize it, but the results speak for themselves. Most Super Bowl wins combine a very good defense with stellar QB play.

    Just going back to 2000, 9 out of 14 championships were won in large part due to great QB play getting there and/or in the Super Bowl:
    Brady (x3), Manning, Roethlisberger (2008 only), Brees, Rodgers, Eli Manning (2010), Joe Flacco

    Most had good and/or opportunistic defenses too and surely some luck along the way, but only 5 teams since 2000 clearly won with a clearly average or inferior passing game:
    Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Roethlisberger (2005), Eli Manning (2007), R.Wilson
     
  12. josephnicks

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    lets just ignore the fact that seattle had been without their best 2 receivers all season..
     
  13. JeffB

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    The Seahawks demonstrated the power of scheme. There was no JJ Watt on the field for them. They have the right players for their scheme at every position. I think that comes from both a tremendous front office and a coach who understands what he needs in players and knows how to develop them.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    That's a strawman argument. No one is claiming that you can have an absolutely terrible QB, but the last two years showed that you can win with an average QB or even a solid game manager.
     
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    this idea that russel wilson is a game manager is pure nonsense. a game manager doesnt have his big play ability regardless if its on the ground.. game managers take what you give them and try their best not to turn the ball over. rex grossman was a game manager with an elite defense, they scored 10 points on offense..
     
  16. endoftheworld

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    People throw around labels such as game manager when they have no idea what they are looking at
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Russell Wilson wasn't trusted to throw the ball more than any QB in the NFL not in San Francisco....I think that says that his team looks at him as a game manager. The fact that he's had a few big plays doesn't change that.
     
  18. HTown_DieHard

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    Yea, nevermind the fact that he was tied 9th for total TD's, and was top 5 in QB Rating.

    We understand that Wilson does not have the "volume" of passes you crave. In fact, his willingness to sacrifice his personal stats for his team shows how great of a leader he is.

    So, Wilson threw 163 less passes than your hero Andrew Luck, yet he had 3 MORE TD's, only 465 LESS yards, and a QB Rating almost 15 points higher... Let's not bring up the fact that Luck has better weapons and a better oline...

    Your argument against Wilson is comical. You use his lack of volume against him, but you fail to mention that he dominated when he did throw. BUT, on the other hand.. When someone points out that Clown3y only had 3 SACKS against INFERIOR competition.. You have a barrel of excuses and explanations.

    I see where your head is at..... You hear that??.. I think mummy is calling you home for din din. I hope she made pudding for desert!!!!
     
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  19. endoftheworld

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    He never saw the Saints game in the regular season
     
  20. Nick

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    If Seattle had just an average defense, they're not contenders.

    Aknowledging that Wilson played slightly above average this year... but even if he was simply average, I still think they're contenders.

    Football is a team game. QB's are important... and defense is important. Being super-elite on one side of the ball does get you far... and in football, the edge usually goes to defense.
     

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