I think there is a difference between lucky and clutch That throw by Flacco which the db made a bad play for the ball was luck The through by Eli Manning to Mario Manningham was clutch, great defense but an even better throw
They were both just a statistical anomaly. You have a sample size of one play, a good result is "clutch" a bad result is "not clutch". Even the best QB completes about 65% of his passes, in a sample size of one there's no telling what will happen. The odds are better that it'll be a completion, but even if it's not, he's still a really good passer.
But he also made some plays that put us in really bad situations. I've agreed with nothin bobby has said, but I agree for the most part of his assessment regarding clutch.
This thread off the front page?! I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked I tell ya! http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46173/325/nfl-draft-norris-top-50 1. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville NFL Comparison: Russell Wilson, but three inches taller and less explosive movements. Where He Wins: Excellent pocket movement. Bounces off his back foot to step up against edge pressure and isn’t afraid to slide laterally when faced with an interior rush. Keeps eyes up to survey coverages and works to multiple reads. Placement and touch are there, but has the velocity to hit vertical routes on the move. Not afraid to give a covered receiver in single coverage a chance to win. Reports have stated he takes care of many checks at the line of scrimmage. Where He Fits: He fits any offense. Sustains success from the pocket but also has mobility which isn’t showcased often. Hits every level with placement and timing. 2014 Draft Projection: No. 1 or 2 pick. 2. Edge player Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina NFL Comparison: Uses a J.J. Watt like swim move, athleticism might be Julius Peppers-esque. Where He Wins: Predominantly lines up at right defensive end in a three-point stance as a five, seven, or nine technique. His explosion off the snap is ridiculous, gaining an instant advantage against his competition. Obviously the swarming wingspan and closing speed is there, and he enjoys finishing hits with force. Has frequently taken the inside line this year, likely due to the shorter distance to the backfield. Loves to utilize an arm over swim and athletic footwork is on displays when avoiding cut blocks. Loops inside with ease. A rare power and speed athlete. Where He Fits: Most experience in a four man front, but his talent could be used in any defensive scheme. Draft Projection: The first non-QB off the board. Top-5 pick. 21. Edge player Anthony Barr, UCLA NFL Comparison: Athleticism could be similar to Bruce Irvin. Where He Wins: The lightning-quick pass rusher is able to gain an advantage on the edge and keep it thanks to his burst off the line, ability to cut off either foot towards the quarterback, and flexibility to bend around the corner. He closes distances quickly, which can be effective from a variety of alignments. Where He Fits: Experience as a stand up rusher next to a three man front. Able to loop inside. Draft Projection: Top-15 selection. 27. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M NFL Comparison: Tony Romo in terms of improvisational style. Where He Wins: Wearing down defenses with tempo. A master of broken plays. Stretches teams laterally with his feet. Forces defenses to match up with quick passes followed by elongated plays with little time to rest in between. Where He Fits: Has shown development from the pocket, but could thrive in a creative system. Thrives on broken plays. Drops his eye level, but can magically find open space and available passing lanes to connect on ridiculous completions. Will test tight single coverage. Gives his receiver a shot. Can also be a quick decision maker, which is key to Air Raid. Has made more throws outside the numbers and downfield this season. Obviously extremely mobile. Draft Projection: Top-10. 28. QB Blake Bortles, UCF NFL Comparison: A poor man’s Andrew Luck in terms of mannerisms, running ability and pocket movement. Where He Wins: Strong pocket mover results in handling pressure others might fold under. Not afraid to work through multiple reads and multiple levels of the field. Spent a lot of time in shotgun, but throws from multiple arm angles. Does not hesitate when throwing to covered receivers to let them win at the catch point. Where He Fits: Velocity has dropped since 2012, and I am not sure why. With that said, I don’t think he has limitations in terms of an offense in the NFL. Draft Projection: A top-10 selection, possibly No. 1 overall. 29. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State NFL Comparison: Jay Cutler Where He Wins: Has an incredible arm, not only when discussing velocity but also touch. Is forced to throw a lot of screens, but is an excellent vertical passer when given the opportunity. Shows athleticism when scrambling outside of the pocket. Aren’t many windows he can’t test. Where He Fits: Doesn’t always throw from a balanced base but has improved willingness to take a hit on release. Draft Projection: Likely the fourth quarterback off the board.
I was not talking about skill level. Just from the tape I've seen of Bridgewater, he doesn't remind me of Wilson.
Bridgewater has the off the chart intangibles that Wilson has.. He has elite pocket presence like wilson, and both can run. Bridgewater is the more polished QB coming into the league IMO. although wilson was amazing in his rookie yr. Both epitomize what it means to be a "Franchise QB". We are very lucky to be in position to draft Bridgewater.
LOL I was wondering how long it would take someone to start throwing the "elite" word around when talking about Wilson now that he's managed to ride possibly the greatest defense ever to a SB. It seems it didn't take long. There is absolutely nothing "elite" about Wilson, he's just a game manager with plus running ability on a team with an amazing defense and a good running game.
I think Aaron Rodger is a closer comparison, and if we're talking Bridgewater beats him out. But Wilson is a good comparison. Knowing what GM's know now about Russell he would be a top 5 pick in the 2012 draft. Definitely before Tannehill. Cleveland wishes they had him over Trent R. Indianapolis would stick with Luck most probably but I bet the Redskins wish they waited for him to drop in their laps and kept all those draft picks. Hindsight is such a sad thing. I agree with HTown Bridgewater is more polished and he is at least 3 inches taller. But Wilson is the better runner although Bridgewater is no slouch in that area.
O'Brien may be thinking the same thing _ about Bortles... Especially if they think he will fall in the draft....
Not debating who is elite or not but he said a franchise qb. Maybe you should ask him what his definition of a franchise QB is. It might not necessarily mean elite. Wilson played well yesterday. The special teams played well and the defense played better. The Seahawks most probably would have won without him but he definitely extended some drives with his play and put up some points. Pretty much what you want your Franchise QB to do on Super Bowl Sunday.
Well that is true, a lot of people have different definitions of "franchise QB" but what I'm trying to say is that Wilson is a fully replaceable cog in the machine. When the Seahawks are having trouble keeping the team together in a few years they'd be making a mistake to give Wilson a huge contract and lose defensive players. They'd be better off just drafting another guy to be their new game manager and keeping as much of that defense together as possible. It'll be interesting to see if they make the same mistake the Ravens did.
Give me Russell Wilson over Andrew Luck... People want to label him a "game manager" because he doesn't make mistakes.. Nevermind the fact that the guy is a natural born leader, has a strong arm, uncanny pocket presence, is great on 3rd down, can run, and is smart enough not to take a big hit (here's looking at you rg3).. Seattle was in QB HELL before they drafted Wilson.. Now all these clowns want to babble about him being replaceable.. That shows me how little they know.. Wilson is a top tier QB, don't hate on him because he's on a good team.
Yikes, well this should be good. No, people label him a "game manager" because he throws the ball less than any QB in the NFL not named Colin and he essentially leans on an amazing defense and a running game. Glad we could clear that up. Like Tebow? Like Rex Grossman? He's just so very awesome in the pocket handing that ball off time and time again... The way he hands the ball off on 3rd down is a think of beauty. Which is where most of his value comes from Read: is lucky enough to have not taken a big hit yet. They had a slightly worse game manager in Tavaras Jackson and a much weaker defense.....I guess that equals QB hell. Which he is. I love how people who think the entire game revolves around QB's will automatically start calling a QB "top tier" if they happen to be on a SB winning team. It's like they won't let anything shatter their little fantasy so any evidence against their predetermined world has to be spun and warped for them to process it.
If we could draft an entire defense with the first pick I'd be all about considering that. But until that happens, comparing a QB to like 45% of the team makes no sense. Defense is more important than offense, but QB is more important and effectual than any single position player on defense. For all the talk of how great their defense is, their offense was in the top 1/4 of the lesgue, too.
