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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Again, that's one theory.

    Of course it is worth pointing out that well before O'Brien had anything to do with the Patriots, Tom Brady led the league in TD passes AND led the league in passing yards but yeah, I'm sure it was Bill O'Brien and not Bill Belichick.
     
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    His yardage went up by 1300 yds and he had 25 more tds with 4 less interceptions

    His qb rating went up and stayed up for BOBs tenure there

    BOB made Matt Cassell a lot of the money too
     
  3. Remii

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    That probably had more to do with Randy Moss more than anything...
     
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    Sure, Tom Brady had an awesome 2007 season, that's not in doubt. What is in doubt is if it was caused by Bill O'Brien being hired as an offensive assistant or if it was more due to the Patriots picking up one of the all time great red zone WR's in Randy Moss along with picking up Wes Welker as the killer slot WR. My money is on Randy Moss and Wes Welker having just a whole lot more to do with Brady putting up great numbers than a first year NFL offensive assistant.

    I'd bet the Belichick system had more to do with Cassel's relative success as well.
     
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    Also had 3.900 yds 36 tds and only 4 ints in 2010 when moss was barely in the lineup
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    Well I was talking about Brady leading the league in TD passes and in passing yards well before O'Brien or Randy Moss was around. I do agree that the crazy 2007 numbers had more to do with adding Moss and Welker than it had to do with O'Brien though.
     
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    Welker was a product of the BOB system, I agree on Moss though
     
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    Or you are just giving credit to O'Brien for the Belichick system because he happens to be the Texans head coach now....
     
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    Belichick was a ball control guy, explosive offensives were never his thing
     
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    Yet he coached Tom Brady to leading the league in yardage and in TD passes well before O'Brien had anything to do with the team.....or was that some anonymous assistant to an assistant that made that happen?
     
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    When did Brady lead the league in yardage before BOB?
     
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    2005, he had over 4100 yards and in 2002 he led the league with 28 TD passes.
     
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    They were also offenses heavily predicated of the play action
     
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    Teddy Bridgewater the best player in the draft...??? Yea, we differ BIG TIME on that. But you would make a good used car salesman though, and maybe someone can sale O'Brien on Teddy.
     
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    The "Keep Johnny in Texas" billboards have gone up around town. So far I've seen 2 of them inside Houston.

    I think there is going to be a very loud minority putting on a full court press as the draft approaches.
     
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    Remind you of another draft, maybe around 2006ish?
     
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    Who is the next Russell Wilson? NFL teams will have trouble replicating the Seahawks’ success

    The NFL is a copycat league, and teams will now start to search for their version of Russell Wilson after the second-year signal quarterback led the Seattle Seahawks to a dominant Super Bowl victory.

    Wilson, who is 5-11, opened doors for quarterbacks that don’t fit the NFL’s prototype. The NFL is no longer a league where a QB has to be 6-2 or taller to be successful. Teams can build around athletic, albeit undersized, quarterbacks. Both the Seahawks and the New Orleans Saints, with Drew Brees, have done so in recent years.

    Thus, quarterbacks which would have been overlooked and discarded a few short years ago have become legitimate franchise options.

    Which quarterbacks bring similar skill sets as Wilson?

    Possibilities in the 2014 draft class

    May’s draft class possesses a couple talents that can be perceived similar to Wilson.

    It’s starts with Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel. Manziel’s game is often compared to Wilson’s due to Manziel’s ability to avoid pressure and create when everything breaks down around him. Their size is certainly similar with Manziel listed at 6-1 and 210 pounds.

    Questions linger about Manziel’s size and his measurements at the NFL combine will certainly be a hotly debated topic. However, one of the selling points of both QBs are their large hands to grip the football.

    There are some differences between the two.

    Manziel won’t have the same experience coming out of a pro style system as Wilson. Wilson’s season spent with the Wisconsin Badgers was particularly beneficial. Wilson really developed as a drop-back passer behind the largest offensive line in college football. Wisconsin was also a heavy play-action team, which helped prepare Wilson for common NFL passing concepts.

    Manziel played in a spread offense at Texas A&M where he rarely dropped back from center. The Aggies’ passing game is based off the “Air Raid” scheme, which has become prevalent in the collegiate game. The offense is based on multiple pre-snap decisions, short throws and post-snap reads. The passing concepts aren’t always directly attributable to NFL routes.

    While there are similarities from a physical and play-making perspective, Wilson isn’t the perfect comparison for Manziel. Wilson’s success has helped Manziel become a potential first round pick, though.

    Georgia’s Aaron Murray is another possibility.

    Murray recently measured at 6-0 and 201 pounds at the Reese’s Senior Bowl. Like Wilson, Murray isn’t projected to be a first round pick. Murray and Wilson were both four-year starters at major programs.

    There are two key differences between Murray and Wilson.

    The first is that Murray is no where near the level of athlete Wilson is. Murray isn’t a statue in the pocket — he ran for 388 yard during his collegiate career — but he isn’t the same threat to run as Wilson.

    Murray also has questions about him Wilson didn’t face. Wilson slid to the 75th pick in the draft due to his lack of height. Murray was considered a third-round prospect too, but it was due to questions about potential limitations as a passer. Also, Murray suffered an ACL tear at the end of his career which he is still rehabbing.

    While Murray will draw Wilson comparisons too, he actually is closer to Brees in style of play.

    The final prospect in the upcoming class that will invoke the Wilson comparison is Clemson’s Tajh Boyd.

    Boyd measured 6-0 and 222 pounds at the Senior Bowl. And the Senior Bowl is a good comparison point between Boyd and Wilson. Boyd struggled in Mobile, whereas Wilson used the stage to improve his draft status.

    Boyd, unlike Wilson, didn’t benefit from playing in a pro style system in college. Boyd, instead, struggled to throw with anticipation and his ball placement was often poor. The players around Boyd always made him look better than his numbers would indicate.

    As long as Wilson remains successful. Teams will continue to search for a similar quarterback in order to achieve the same success. Names such as Duke’s Anthony Boone, Marshall’s Rakeem Cato, Notre Dame’s Everett Golson and Eastern Washington’s Vernon Adams will draw the comparisons to Wilson in future years.

    Unfortunately, Wilson is the exception to the rule. What Wilson has proven is that a Super Bowl winning quarterback can come in all shapes and sizes. Franchises shouldn’t try to repeat his success. They merely should keep their minds open to all the possibilities.​
     
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    Drew Brees, Russel Wilson, and Manziel are all about the same size. Brees might have an inch on them.
     
  20. Ziggy

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    There's a lot of ****ty QB's that size too.
     
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