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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by solid, Dec 18, 2013.

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  1. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    There is no question Clowney is a talent but just watch him in the North Carolina game (his best game this season IMO). He starts off amazing and but by the second half he is able to be blocked by one guy because he is so tired. At the end of the game he bent over gasping for every bit of air he can suck into his lungs. He can blocked when he is tired.

    You have to ask yourself why this guy who knew this would be his most important season does not come in shape for the opening game of the season. If that can't motivate him what will. You never have to worry about JJ Watt doing that but Clowney had a subpar year and should have shown more with all that god given talent. Is that who you want to marry til death do us part? Death may come quicker than you imagined.
     
  2. tmacfor35

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    I think the only guys you need to work on are BobbyTheGreat and Remii.

    I am sold on Bridgewater. I don't know why people say he isn't as good as a prospect as some prior quarterbacks. I think that article where his coach Watson said the guy was a savant, told me this guy was going to be a star on Sundays.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    You could very well be right, but I'm just not sold that he really is the "total package". From what I hear from a lot of people they are selling Bridgewater as a "Jack of all trades" and I can buy that because the rest of that sentence is "master of none".

    I'm wondering how much the fact that the Texans fanbase is so QB desperate plays into how they view Bridgewater. Is this desperation the reason that we see a "jack of all trades" and confuse him as a "master of all trades"? Some of the over the top projections for Bridgewater make me think this is at least a strong possibility.

    Of course it is possible that my evaluation is the one that is wrong and Bridgewater could turn out to be the next great thing, only time will tell.
     
  4. tmacfor35

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    Master on none? Kid runs his own offense at the line. Calls dummy calls, and audis.

    The master of reading a defense is key. See Brady and Manning. Best quarterbacks in the league and they have zero mobility. Peyton had the best statistical year this year and his arm has the least pop in the league.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    He's shown the ability to often accurately read the defense of weak to middling D1 college teams, which is pretty awesome, but he'll have to show the ability to read the MUCH more advanced and better disguised defenses run in the NFL before I'd call him a "master" at that.
     
  6. endoftheworld

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    Its the trait that has considered him and Luck the most polished qbs to enter the league in the last 10 years...

    Another tidbit...http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2014/futures-louisville-qb-teddy-bridgewater

    At the very least you are getting mobile Matt Ryan
     
  7. tmacfor35

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    Hello Florida?

    I think he will be fine, and for those "weak" D-1 squads, they had NFL talent littered in the secondary.

    For a college kid, he has mastered the game. He threw 4 picks all year, 2 of which should have been caught by his WR.

    Coming out of college, I would say that his reading of the defense has been second to no other prospect. This is, in my opinion, the most important quality in a QB.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Florida was one game in his career, granted he did very well but that's still a sample size of one.

    Also, I'm not saying that there wasn't talent sprinkled in with the teams he faced, I'm saying that the teams he faced used fairly simple defenses and they didn't disguise them very well at least compared to the simplest defense in the NFL.

    Don't get it twisted, Bridgewater is a good QB prospect and I'm not saying anything otherwise, but I'm just saying he's a jack of all trades, master of none. I've even heard people say that his biggest strength is not having many weaknesses, basically that he doesn't do anything particularly amazing, but he's not terrible at anything. I agree with that assessment. He's got pretty good mobility, yet not mobility like the better mobile QB's, he's got a pretty good arm, but not as good as those with great arms, he's pretty accurate, but not so much over 20 yards.

    Basically he has decent or good everything but nothing really great. Maybe he'll show that he really is great at reading defenses, that's yet to be seen but he doesn't do anything else spectacularly well. Again, jack of all trades, master of none. I don't know what that'll translate to in the NFL, maybe his lack of real weakness (other than maybe his thin frame and spotty accuracy over 20 yards) will lead to him taking the league by storm, but at the same time, his lack of true strength at any one thing will lead to him being just meh.

    Of course that's why I characterize him as being a risk. He could be really good, he could be meh. That's dangerous for an overall first pick.
     
  9. endoftheworld

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    You answered your own conundrum

    He has good arm (stronger than Schuabs, lets say 92 rating madden level)

    And he has no weaknesses....

    No matter where he goes, in a couple years people are going to be calling Bridgewater

    Teddy Montana
     
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    Having few weaknesses is awesome, but IMO he'll need some true strengths to really break out in the NFL. Then again, no one knows. in a few years they could just as easily be calling Bridgewater "Teddy Bustwater" as "Teddy Montana".
     
  11. endoftheworld

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    Hey Montana didn't have a cannon coming into the NFL, his had no true strengths

    Same goes for Brady, Brees etc

    Plenty HOFs with no "true strengths"

    Its the weaknesses I am worried about when it comes to a qb

    True any thing can happen
     
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    It was a completely different league when Montana came into the league, so you trying to force that comparison is as futile as the Manziel fans trying to force the Fran Tarkenton comparison.

    As to Brady and Brees, you are talking about some of the most accurate passers in NFL history who read NFL defenses even better than Bridgewater reads middling D1 college defenses, how can you say they have no "true strengths"?

    I really wish the combine was here so that we'd have at least some of the answers we need to further this conversation.
     
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    Does intelligence count as a true strength? Football IQ? I'd suspect Montana, Brees and Brady might score fairly highly there...
     
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    The thing is intelligence is often overlooked because of the physical side

    As with Bridgewater...
     
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    When Brees and Brady came in they were reading middling D1 college defenses...
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    It took Brees several years to be the QB he has been with the Saints, and Brady was a backup being taught by one of the greatest coaches in NFL history for more than an entire season before ever making an NFL start.

    Even if Teddy was as good as those guys, he wouldn't help the Texans if he was a meh player for 5 years like Brees and he won't be able to sit for more than a season being taught the game by one of the best coaches ever like Brady.
     
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    He'll be coached by one of the best, Bill O'Brien
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Sure, that's one theory.
     
  19. endoftheworld

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    Remember Brady didn't go on his offensive explosion until the Patriots hired BOB
     
  20. coachbadlee

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    I don't deny the fact that Manziel is a great talent. I just don't think it would be wise to pick him at #1.
     
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