[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

If Lin's contract is normal ($8m per yr), it is likely that he will for sure attract interests. But with that poison, unlikely. It is just hard for any team to swallow. Think about it. We got his service for two yrs at $5m per yr (cheap) while other team will get it for 3 times the price (expensive). So who'd like to be that sucker and our b****? We got all the benefits and you foot the bill? :grin:

The same applies to Asik. What incentives will make you do it as you can easily sign him in one yr with more reasonable price (8m -10m per yr)? So they are almost untradable not because of their talent but their poison pill contract (this is a reason why it is called that way).

 

Wait for a couple yrs after Lin is gone. It is highly likely that we will see threads like these: Lin is better than xxx (whoever we have at PG); Lowry, Dragic and Lin track thread, Are you happy for Lowry, Goran, Lin?, etc :grin::grin:

 

THIS is the truth! There is really no need to argue if Lin is better than Beverly. If Beverly is gone today, Brooks or anyone else Rockets have their team will outplay Lin for PG minutes. Remember that better PG we had, Tony Douglas, who consistently beat Lin for 4th quarter minutes?

 

Pretty much sums it up. Go ahead and close this thread up, this is the only post in here anyone needs to read. Bottom line, both guys are capable of helping the team when they'e on the court (regardless of whether they start or not), but both are wildly inconsistent. I don't disagree with Clutch's point that Jeremy's the better fit off the bench and Beverly's the better fit with what's becoming our starting unit, but he could've done without hyperbolic assertions like "the numbers are clear" and "it's not even a close call anymore". While I understand that Clutch's stats are cited in the context of "who fits the starting unit better" (and maybe that was just a salvo in direct response to LOFs whining about Lin coming off the bench), that question itself is a bit of a red herring and makes it seem like Clutch, as with many posters here, is rubbed the wrong way by the admittedly outspoken LOFs and has let it affect his assessment of Lin's value on the court. The real question we should care about is "which combination of players and minutes gives us the best chance of winning more games", and the fact that Jeremy's PER and win share are higher than Patrick's indicate that the only thing that's clear here is that there is statistical evidence of the positive impact each player can have when they're on the floor, and deciding which statistics are most important is a pretty subjective matter. In reality, so much of the data cited to prove the efficacy of certain 5-man rotations is almost statistically insignificant because of how much variance there is in the NBA from game to game (matchups, substitution timing, lineup combinations, etc.) that we still can't say for certain what works best for the Rockets at all times (and if we could, then someone needs to get fired because it's clear the Rockets are not always at their best).

 

I think that was a different situation. As much as it is someone's job to win, it is also someone's job to lose. Bev had not really had a chance to underwhelm anyone yet. Now they both have.

 

Old Man Rock, nice post.

 

I just realize these two guys are on the same team??

 

Omg so it's official? Clutch's is wrong

 

Yes, the number is clear, but...........which Jeremy are we talking about?

The PG that runs the show or the SG that always stands at the corner watch his teammates play?

 

Both bench players, one is just a better fit with the starters and the other plays better with the 2nd unit.

 

I'm just going to start ignoring every Lin fan I see. Arguing constantly about a couple of mediocre PG's is dumb IMO, especially if one has no future here. Regardless of what happens, next season is Do or Die for Lin as far as his next contract goes and I highly doubt he will ever see over $10 mil on a paycheck again personally.

 

Lin is a role player on this team and so is Bev as a matter of fact. Nothing is going to change. The team is Harden, Howard, Parsons and then a bunch of role players who would be flipped at an instant if an upgrade is available.

It is best for everyone to understand that.

 

keep on telling yourself that

 

LOL ok, confirmed, not a serious poster

 

Championships are won by stars as well as role players. It is called teamwork:grin:

Some people here think stars are difficult to find. I'd argue the right role players are also difficult to find. Sometimes, consistency and continuity is as much important as talents. To win a championship, everything has to be right.

 

Everyone with half a brain is. A player on any team is one of the following:

1. Ace (Harden)
2. Star (Harden and Howard)
3. Role Player (Parsons, Lin, Bev, Casspi, T-Jones)
4. Situational Player (Brooks, D-Mo, Garcia)
5. Benchwarmer (Brewer)
6. Roster Spot/Injured (Smith, Asik, Canaan)

Starter is not really a role to me, but rather a spot on the lineup to be filled by player types 1-3. In our case, the only truly defined starters are Harden, Howard, and Parsons. There is not enough drop off offensively or defensively going from Lin to Bev or Bev to Lin since with Bev it depends on if he happens to be hitting his shot and Lin on if he is playing aggressive or not.

 

You missed the point. Role players are interchangeable and to Morey are just assets so whether they come off the bench or start should not be such a big issue.

 

You guys wanna get rid of Lin bad I know, because he's not worth 8 mil/year. So who do you want that's going to replace him that's available?

The fact that many people here compare Beverly to Lin is laughable. Lin is so much better than Beverly it's not even close. And the Rockets are a much better team with Lin starting, the record says it all. I don't care about Net rating, wins is a much better indicator.

At this point the Rockets are best to keep Lin unless they wanna use him as a trade piece to land another superstar.

 

I like to share my thoughts.

 

My point is that winning championship is very very difficult. It is not like that you throw a bunch of stars and role players together and expect everything will work out. It takes time, patience, hardwork, good coaching and a little bit luck. If you look at the past championships, they all had a group of stars and role players that stay together for a few yrs. Role players are not that interchangeable at all as history shows.