[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

I agree, hopefully Lin will end up on a team that has that system he can excell in. Who knows he might become an all-star.

 

And CF will be saying " how did we let him go"?

 

I can't believe this thread is still going. Wow!

Jeremy Lin is a good/decent NBA player. He's just not as good as many, many other point guards on different teams, and he is not the best at his position on our team.

Clutch nailed it cleanly in his first post. There really isn't much of a debate, unless you're allowing emotion take over.

In a couple of years, perhaps Jeremy will be playing for an All-Star spot. That would be awesome. He's just not there yet. Patrick Beverly isn't an all-star either, but he is definitely more versatile and skilled at the PG position than JL for now. And, as it has been mentioned, Pat has used his individuals strengths and has modified them to improve our offense. Jeremy is still struggling with that.

I guess it's always a plus to have two guys fighting for a starting spot. It shows some notion of depth. But, if it were up to me, we'd have a guy like KLowGoran still playing for us. Both of them trump the Pat/Lin debate.

 

He needs the right system, the right role, and the right team. Those things "could" have been Houston before we acquired Harden but not now. His balloon contract scares cheap owners away, and the entire league knows Morey is in a pickle. Worst case scenario, the Rockets are going to have enough to sign a third max in 2015. Until then, expectations must be tempered.

 

That's such BS, to say Lin isn't the best PG on the Rockets can only be said by a blind person, or somebody that doesn't like Lin for some reason.

Clutch didn't nail it. He stated that the starting job belongs to Bev and it's not even close, that's just ridiculous also. I have no problem with him thinking Bev should start, but to say it not even close, come on.

 

Jeremy is a much more talented PG. I love Beverley but c'mon man.

 

"at will", that's definitely bull****

 

Additionally, here are some numbers looking at how the opposition perfoms offensively whenever Lin or Beverley are grouped with the other starters, nothing really surprising here, Beverley is touted for his defensive and this particular unit performs better defensively, allowing a lower FG%, 2PT% and slightly less 3PT%

Is interesting that Lin and Beverley have the same DWS of 0.8
, but with Lin having a higher OWS with 1.8 to 1.2.

 

Lol trolling hard smh Bevs a nice guy but c'mon dude lol

 

WS is a counting stat and adjust to minutes.

 

kk cheers

 

The thing is Billz he had that stretch when Bev was out where he could have sealed the starting deal and separated himself but he didn't. He was inconsistent at best and had some poor games.

I do agree Clutch is wrong about it not being close but by reading his posts and articles he has always undervalued Lin's play and contributuions. Even Morey said Lin contributed more to the team wins last year than Parsons. Everyone is entitled to there opinion. And IMO it is close. And these last two games have narrowed it.

If he plays like that all the time then might not be close in Lin's favor. But he hasn't been consistent. That's the big problem. The thing other people don't see as much is that Bev is mistake prone at times too. And he is not the playmaker or scorer that Lin is. Plus his defense is overrated while Lin's is underrated.

So to say it is not close is wrong IMO. Just as I said Lin didn't separate himself from Bev, Beverly hasn't separated himself from Lin. That's my observation. The last 2 games Lin has been the better player but not enough to overtake Bev. On this team unless Bev really separates himself the team works better with Lin coming off the bench. Not Lin's fault just with harden that's the way it is.

But the comparison of the is close sometimes flipping in Bev's favor and sometimes in Lin. Not a bad thing. I hope they both improve and the battle continues. It can only be good for the team. In the meantime we have 2 decent point guards on the team. ANd brooks aint too bad himself.

 

so in that case we'd go by WS/48 with Lin coming with .107 to Bevs .097?

so would we take (Bev Mins/Lin Mins) x 0.8 = LinDWS adjusted?

so we'd have (983/1180) x 0.8 = 0.666 DWS Lin to Bevs 0.800?

 

Seriously? I think your credibility went out the window with this one.

 

What you said is much better than Clutch. I feel sometimes clutch is full of bull****.

 

that match (sampson returns) where he numbers fell. Mchale was riding on brooks, even when brooks was sucking .Totally nutty rotation.

 

Well if thats the case Old Man please explain why Lin didn't win the starting job at the beginning of the season when Beverley was out. Didn't Lin play his best basketball then, dude was averaging 17-19 points a game, shooting over 50% and playing solid defense.

I agree with everything except the part where you said he had a chance to lock up that starting spot. Beverly is our starting point guard this season unless he sustains another injury in which sidelines him for the remainder of the year.

 

It's pretty obvious that Lin is not in the future plans of the Rockets. So the Rox need to move forward with a lineup that does not involve Jeremy. It doesn't matter if JLin played solid or not, he wasn't going to get the starting spot.

 

NAILED IT. Everyone should read your post...at least 5 times before mentioning anything about Lin/Bev.

 

Yes, he had a good chance to separate himself from Beverley as the best option as the starting point. He didn't. Jeremy had some good games, and some pretty lousy ones. He was inconsistent. His most ardent fans often seem to gloss over that tidbit, and bring up New York. Well, we ain't in New York, people. This is Jeremy's second season with the Houston Rockets, and last time I checked, he's still here. As for myself, I was eager to see what Jeremy could do while Bev was out. What I saw was a rollercoaster of point guard play, which disappointed me. I'm a fan of his, and I would like him to succeed. I think leading the bench mob on this team is the perfect role for him. If a starting perimeter player suffers from the "i" word, it's great to have him as an option on the bench, ready to step up. A starting quality guard in the Rockets' back pocket. That's an important role, in my opinion, another thing those most ardent fans often seem to ignore.

I simply don't see what you are seeing here, OMR. Clutch goes out of his way to be fair, in my opinion. If anything, I think he tends to hold back sometimes on saying what he'd really like to say about some of the more controversial topics on the board, seeming to often prefer to let the members go at it hammer and tongs over those topics, while he keeps a watchful eye, his plate being full with all the myriad things he does covering the team, running a business, having a family... you know, stuff like that. I'm always hoping to see more of his opinions posted in the GARM, not less, which some here appear to desire less. Clutch gives his take? Often the reaction in certain quarters of the GARM is "How dare you!!" I find that reaction beyond ludicrous, and I'm not talking about you. -

This I agree with!

I think you're producing a lot of wind here.