Obama to raise federal minimum wage via executive order

No genius - what I'm staying is that things like the printing press and the tractor were technological advances relative to their era on the same scale (actually probably several orders of magnitude moreso) as a tablet PC .

I wonder if in the 1900s there was a Wekko Sr. saying that we shouldn't care about the Triangle Shirtwaist fire BECAUSE 3D PRINTING!!11!!!

 

Is this how you debate? Since you can't find any fault with my argument, you resort to hyperbole, taking things out of context, and strawman arguments?

 

What's out of context?

I and others have pointed out a number of times what's wrong with your crapwagon of an argument - illustrating that 1) its laughably speculative with regard to today 2) the causation you imply that doesn't exist and 3) the empirical data doesn't support you at all.


And to that triple threat of a beat down - this is how you debate:

 

Absolutely wrong. Go to just about any grocery store and you'll see self-checkout registers. In parts of the world, you can already find fast-food kiosks. The technology exists right now. It just isn't cheaper than current minimum wage labor.

Absolutely wrong. Continually increasing minimum wages means greater expenses for businesses. At some point, automation becomes a cheaper alternative. There's no telling where that point is, but it does exist, and with each increase in the minimum wage, we get closer to it.

How can you possibly deny any of these statements?

There is no relevant data that proves me wrong. At this point, its all about who can make the most logical, compelling argument. And considering the fact that your argument hinges on denying the existence of current technology as well as basic accounting and economics, your argument is neither logical nor compelling.

 

Man you are a block. Nice troll if that's what this is, but I'm awake anyway, so here you go:

As I said earlier - the technology to dispense items by machines has existed for OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS during which time it has coexisted with minimum wage. It doesn't take a Michelin palette to figure out that eating at a taco bell and microwaving a frozen burrito aren't perfect substitutes, nor does it take too many timed using the self checkout lane to figure out that its not desirable with more than a handful of items unless you're into hardcore double penetration tedium - (also in this category: reading your slovenly musings on this subject).

None of the things above are affected by minimum wage (with the exception of the simple one note thoughtfarts that you are sharing)

There's no point in telling where it is - and tecnology advances regardless - but we should pretend LIKE ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND NOT DO ANYTHING EVER OR ELSE TEH CYBORGS WILL TAKE OUR JOBS!

I would put in an analogy here but instead just ask if you ever leave your house, because ALIENS?

I'm not even sure if I can possibly deny that you actually exist. You've put on a giddy up level exhibition of a BBS singularity - a point of infinite density against all comers. Umm...congrats?


PS Wekkiebaby- as a favor I will program in c64 era BASIC the code that will replace you:

10 PRINT "CANNOT RAISE MINIMUM WAGE BECAUSE MSCHINES!!!!!11!!!"
20 GOTO 10

 

And still FAR more relevant than ANY data you have provided.

In other words, I have provided data, you have talked out of your a$$. I'll believe the data rather than your a$$ gas.

 

If minimum increases, wouldn't the amount of revenue a business is getting increase too?!

 

We need to stop subsidizing corporate profits from the social safety net.


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You know you've lost the argument when you start lobbing insults.

Yes, but machines are significantly more cost effective, capable, and efficient than they were back then.

Do you deny this fact?

Based on my personal observations, the younger generation will use the self-checkout registers while the older generation goes to the regular lanes. I've seen people have a full basket of groceries and use the self-checkout line.

Wages are an expense. Businesses make decisions based on their revenue and expenses. Whether you like it or not, the minimum wage factors into every single decision a business makes, especially a business that utilizes minimum wage labor.

No, don't pretend like it's right in front of you, but you should definitely be aware of it and take steps to mitigate the problem.

I don't know why you're having so much trouble understanding this concept. We see it everywhere. That's why we're developing solar/wind/natural gas energy. That's why people take medication to lower blood pressure and cholesterol.

 

Here's a hypothetical question for you.

Let's say that you and I work for the same company and have the same boss. The boss asks us to get him the latest issue of the Wall St. Journal.

You get him an issue from 1998, and I get him nothing. Do you think you've done a better job than me?

 

In the wekkoverse, when Bill Gates invetned the Pentium in 1993 - this was a bigger advance than when Guttenberg invented the printing press or Edison came up with the carbone filament light bulb, relative to their era.

 

When you tell your boss that you didn't get him a newspaper because all that stuff happened in the past and is therefore irrelevant, he's going to fire you for being a monumental dumbass.

 

Strawman argument and putting words in my mouth? Awesome way to debate...

 

Nobody's putting anything in your mouth - you are claiming recent technology advancements are unprecedented. They're not "unprecedented" except in the tautological sense that every advance in technology is unprecedented in absolute terms. In relative terms - they are not.

You refuse to address or acknowledg this - so I'm pretty much forced to conclude that you believe the GOTO statement you are emitting again and again.

 

We're still arguing whether automation, for the last 300 years, has made jobs obsolete? Lol

 

I was comparing the current technology (in terms of efficiency, capability, and cost) to the technology of a few decades ago (the time period from the study GladiatoRowdy referenced).

Even though you were unaware of the time frame I was referring to, you opted not to ask for clarification. Instead, you started referencing the industrial revolution and started insulting me based on erroneous assumptions YOU made.

 

Yep. Hey don't feed those slaves buiding the pyramids extra rations, because it just gets us closer to the day the block and tackle pulley takes their jobs!

 

Which is a stupid tautology - as I pointed out in the post you quoted - technology is always at its most advanced state in history. This is a meaningless throwaway that doesn't support your argument, and in fact undercuts it, given the historical record.

 

I would like very much for you to state my argument and explain why advancements in the capability/cost-effectiveness/efficiency of technology over the past few decades don't support my argument.

 

If you really want to get technical, here's my original statement:

And here are a few responses:

Even if you guys didn't know the specific time frame I was referring to, my original quote referenced the increases in minimum wage. Minimum wage began in 1938. So if you guys were truly interested in having a good-faith discussion without knowing the applicable time period, you would've focused on the time period between 1938 and now.

But instead, all of you started referencing the industrial revolution, which spanned from the late 1700's till the mid 1800's. Had you bothered to show a little effort, you would've clearly seen that I was not referring to the industrial revolution.

But why would you guys want to show any effort, right? You don't really want to have a debate about anything. All you guys want to do is collectively pile on the ridicule and insults.