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Uncle Bob praises Clowney.

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Raven, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Remii

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    Maybe in Wade's system.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Again, we'll try to keep this infantry-proof. Donald's arms are 31 3/4 inches long, the average DT's arms are 33 1/2 inches long, that makes them "below average". There's really nothing that can change that. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8953829/2013-nfl-draft-five-year-nfl-combine-averages

    Feel free to check for yourself, I gave you his actual arm length and then a 5 year average broken down by position, even you can't mess this one up.
     
  3. HTown_DieHard

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    Do you realize we are talking about Donald's arm length in relation to his height?

    You are not a smart man.
     
  4. coachbadlee

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    Everyone pointing out that Clowney only has 3 sacks but fail to mention his 29 tackles.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    So I completely and absolutely prove you wrong and show that he absolutely does have short arms for a DT so you move the goalposts? Nice move.

    The point still stands that he has short arms for the position and is very much undersized. No one cares about what his arms are relative to his height if they are still short for the position.

    Just admit defeat and let's move on and get back on topic.
     
  6. HTown_DieHard

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  7. Remii

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    And I like Romeo but with the personnel the Texans have _ maybe they would have been better served going after a 4-3 defensive coach _ especially if they want to draft Clowney.

    Merciless would go back to having his hand in the dirt and there would be no worries of Clowney having to learn to be a LB. And J.J. would be all up and down the line. We would have a NY Giants NASCAR package going on. Rush 4 and drop everyone esle back in coverage.

    That would make the LB core less of an issue because we wouldn't need as many.

    I wouldn't of minded at all having Lovie. He wants everyone on his line to get to the QB.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Well I think Clowney has the athletic ability to play either OLB or DE so I don't really mind either situation. Also, I think they'll keep guys moving around on the line to confuse offenses. When you have two really talented pass rushers like that the things you can do with them is limitless.
     
  9. Remii

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    I have no doubt Clowney has the athletic ability to play both LB... But mentally, I don't know how he will handle standing up. May be a work in progress thing like with Merciless are he may get it right off the bat.

    Some DEs you can't get too cute with and take out their element. That don't always work no matter how physically gifted they are. Romeo's defense seems more geared for cerebral LBs... Guys who have to think on the run. That's the only thing that concerns me about Clowney. If we had Lovie. I would have no concerns because Lovie wouldn't have him doing all that thinking.

    And I don't know about Clowney as a DE in a 3-4 either. I see he's listed at over 270 but he doesn't look it to me. If Mario couldn't play it I seriously doubt he could.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Personally I'm really really glad we don't have Lovie. He'd bring the Tampa 2 and honestly, we just don't have the personnel for it at all.

    To run a Tampa 2 correctly you need speed all over the field and you need a really talented secondary, neither of which we have. Also it requires linebackers who can cover receiving targets and other than Cushing, we have none of them on the roster.
     
  11. Remii

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    Peanut Tillman runs a 4.49 40 and Brian Urlacher was a shell of himself his last few years. Lovie didn't have a bunch of speed out there. But, at the same time I don't think Lovie wanted to come here anyway. Tampa was more set up for him because they have what you mentioned.

    Clowney is a luxury pick even though pass rushers are a must have they are easier to find later in the draft.

    I'm either way on Clowney but Sammy Watkins is probably the best overall available player on the board at #1. He gives us a Josh Gordon type receiver on the field from day 1 and he returns kicks as well. An upgrade in the offense and special teams with one player in a major way. And he gets to team back up with his buddy Hopkins.

    I think we are too focused in on quarterback and Clowney and not paying attention to what type of player Sammy may could end up being. Dre won't last forever and he's getting paid alot.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't know about Watkins being a potential #1 pick even if the Texans had a need there. After the disaster that Blackmon has been I think teams will be really turned off by his drug arrest. Also, I think it would help him if he was bigger, usually Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson types are the WR's looked at in the top 3 and he's only 6'1
     
  13. HTown_DieHard

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    The draft is deep in WR...

    But, I agree... We definitely need to draft a WR. If the Texans trade back Watkins would be a nice get.

    It would be better than drafting Clown3y
     
  14. Remii

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    Misdemeanor mar1juana arrest when he was in the car with another person. He was considered a model student and citizen before then and has been on the straight and narrow every since. If it was a big issue _ he wouldn't be as highly thought of and projected to go so high in the draft.

    6'1 is a great height for a receiver and Watkins and Hopkins have proven they play great together.

    And we do need a receiver. Payton Manning will tell you, you can never have too many of them. It's a passing league and it has just as much to do with the guys catching the ball as the guys passing it.

    And drafting for need is why the Texans have missed in the draft so much and they have over 20 plus players on non guaranteed contracts after this year so drafting for need isn't necessary and they should go for the best talent they can get and that may be Watkins if they don't trade out of the #1 spot.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm just saying with all of the young talented guys having drug problems that get them suspended, it could make teams take pause before drafting him in the top 3. He's got the talent so he'll still be a first rounder but he's not a generational talent like Andre or Calvin, if he was, none of it would matter.

    I feel like with Hopkins and Johnson manning the main WR spots, the Texans main holes lie elsewhere and I think they'd be foolish to draft a 3rd WR over a generational pass rush prospect or a decent QB.
     
  16. Fullcourt

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    mar1juana isn't stopping anyone from drafting anyone. Nonetheless, I'd bet my firstborn that we don't spend pick 1.1 on a WR.
     
  17. Remii

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    In a draft with two undersized slight built QBs with question marks and a DE with a questionable work ethic who doesn't grade out like Julius Peppers _ Sammy Watkins is a beauty queen in this draft. He'll go in the top 3-5.

    And Dre isn't a generational receiver. Calvin is... Dre at his best was not a better receiver than Steve Smith at his best. Dre is a great productive receiver but a game changer he is not. He's not even the best offensive player in the Texans short history _ Foster is...
     
  18. jbasket

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    You have lost all credibility.
     
  19. Fullcourt

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    Wait, people think Remii still has credibility? ;)
     
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  20. MadMax

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    You don't spend the #1 overall pick on a defensive lineman because of his tackles. It's certainly an important function of the position for sure. But if you're using the #1 overall pick on a defensive lineman, you're doing so typically because of impact on pass rush.

    I think Clowney has all the potential in the world. I also think he's a paycheck player who is likely to never come close to sniffing that potential.
     

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