[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

He really hasn't.

He has made his case for being the primary ball handler when Harden is not available, but that was never really in question.

It's nice we won some games with Harden out and Lin was able to fill the void, but its not like we weren't winning with Harden at the helm.

We simply are not going to change our entire offensive schematic to suit Jeremy Lin. He isn't part of this team's future.

 

Jeremy Lin us who we thought he was. Inconsistent. He has a few good a few bad games. He is mediocre point guard. However I think he is better than Bev.

 

He wasn't part of the Knicks future either. Look at 'em now.

 

Oh please! Don't compare Rockets to Knicks. Dolan is a freaking idiot.

 

Well, you could be right and you could be wrong about Lin being a part of this team's future. Of course I agree we should trade him. Thats why I said he stated his case for running a team. Because if he winds up running a team it will most likely be elsewhere.

However, if we can't get a deal done for him by the deadline then the odds of us being able tip move him with one year left and being owed $15 million are very low. So if he is still here after the deadline then he is probably here for the duration. If that is the case then I firmly believe that running a lot of lineups with 3 guards and pushing Parsons or Harden to part power forward makes the most sense for us over the near term and even next season if we still have not acquired a difference making power forward.

 

As long as the team is winning, it is so joyful to watch the war between the LOFs and LOHs It just like the president elections. Two parties b****ing each other with some non-sense stuff. Sometimes it is kinda fun. lol. Please don't lock this thread! Keep going

 

FTR, the person who routinely refers to Beverley as a monkey is still here and posting regularly.

 

Do you have link to the post?

 

This is exactly why I never visit a certain fansite anymore. Please tell me that person is not getting away with that crap here. I thought this place was safe... relatively speaking.

 

His username is FTW. I'm sure you can search for it... I think it started in that PB Appreciation Thread, if I recall correctly.

 

whoever called PBev a monkey needs to go look at the mirror and ask: wtf is wrong with me?

 

This, in my opinion, is exactly why we see Lin struggle coming off the bench.

The team isn't going to change the offensive schematic for Lin when he starts, and certainly shouldn't change it for him when he comes off the bench.

Sure, Lin can "run the second unit," but how often have we seen that? Maybe 3 minutes a game?

It's easy to say Lin just needs to be aggressive and do his thing. But when 90% of the time, Harden/Parsons/Dwight are still in the game when he is, "his thing" will be to play off the ball and let the team run the offense through one of those other three.

 

I don't think it's a question of tailoring the team to Lin. Moreso, tailoring a team to maximize wins.

Personally, when Lin is playing well, he should start and be the primary ball handler as he seems to get teammates involved better than Harden or Bev can.

Problem is, when he plays bad, it can get pretty damn ugly. He can make stupid ball handling mistakes or just get really passive. Ballhandling is on him. The offensive passivity could be on the coaching staff. Not sure.

 

Harden is the de facto PG, that is not going to change. Lin has at most a season and a half left with the Rockets.

 

There is no indication whatsoever that moving Lin to the primary ball handler and having Harden play off the ball is going to maximize wins, none.

To do so is to believe that:
1.) Harden is going to move around the court to get open like Parsons does, which just is extremely unlikely to happen.
2.) Lin is better at creating on his own and creating for others than Harden, which just isn't true.
3.) Lin will stay effective and aggressive on a consistent basis and not fall into his usual turnover prone-ness or inconsistent offense, which we have yet to observe happen.

Again, Lin is here for, at maximum, another year and a half. He will play a support role in that time. Any idea's of a Lincentric offense are just a fairy tale.

This team is built around Harden, Howard and Parsons. The offense will go through them and players will be added to the roster to help support them.

 

I guess your life is too boring and you need the drama at CF to spicy it up a little :grin: Just kidding.

Actually both camps do present some vaild points. It all depends on how Lin and PB will develop and improve. From what I have seen so far, I happen to believe Lin will develop faster and have a higher ceiling. This is not a knock on PB at all. He is also a valuble piece to the long-term success of the Rockets. I guess time will tell. We just have to be patient.

 

So if you search for "Monkey", you see it gets used fairly often (I was stunned to find this out). Mostly as a verb, or monkey-wrench, or monkey poo, but fairly often related to a player.
In the Aaron Brooks says he's back with the Rockets! thread a post says

• "What if Manu wasn't an ass monkey..."
• In the 11/2 Jazz game thread someone says "I tend to agree with this for the most part. Lin isn't a perfect player and still has a lot of growth to achieve. Very few coaches are willing to tolerate mistakes like that unfortunately. And they would rather have the safer play of Bev than the more inconsistent play of Lin. . But anyway from that quote my point still stands that he isn't quite the good little monkey everybody likes to think he is."
• 11/9 Clippers thread: "Lin is pretty terrible. His passing sucks a monkey's butt "
• 11/9 McHales treatment of Lin "Harden and a monkey can win us a championship if Dwight shoots 90% from the freethrow line"
• 12/14 Omer Trade Possibilities thread: "Granted last night he did look like, if I may quote "Bull Durham", a "monkey ******* a football out there", but given minutes you think he'd be okay"
• 1/16 Thunder game thread "monkey balling and throwing the ball nowhere isn't gonna win games"

KlutchQT rightly called him out for this offensive comment but FTW was unrepentant 3 days later:

But then he has NEVER made a comment like that again, far as I can see. Yet KlutchQT has brought it back up more than a month later, on 1/21, and then again.

And FTW Rockets FTW has proven himself a world class troll by bringing it up over and over again:

Give it a rest for gods sake. Clutch has to decide what he'll do about the offensive post. But you two guys keep bringing it up month after month for no other purpose than disturbing the peace.

 

I just posted a long post that took me about an hour to research which shows that FTW made an offensive post two months ago, but that it is KlutchQT and FTW Rockets FTW who continue to bring it up every month.

Surprisingly my post was immediately deleted. Someone want to tell me why?

 

Doesn't look deleted to me, maybe you have yourself on ignore.

 

Feel free to put me on ignore.

And for the record, I brought it up today because someone tried to say the comment had never been made.