I don't doubt that there was some scouts out there that took that awful position with Leaf, but I remember that draft very well and I never had a doubt for a second who the Colts would take. You could probably find a scout who would tell you that Manziel is the best QB prospect in this draft....you could find just about any crazy position if you really wanted to.
The Texans can't afford to wait with the current roster. Clowney is as big a risk as Bridgewater. If you bust at that position than you literally wasted a pick. I don't know about you, but I don't think Clowney took off because he was going to get paid. I think he took off because he doesn't have that desire to be great in him. He is "Raw", and it tinkers in my mind on where he would be rated now, had he not blasted that Michigan back in the backfield.
Agreed, but there isn't a multitude of scouts saying Manziel is the pick like they were Leaf. If I recall correctly, there were a ton of pissed off INDY fans after that announcement. You may not have had a doubt, but there were enough NFL teams out there that thought INDY screwed that one up. I think physical intangibles are second tier to the mind in a quarterback. I think scouts take to much physical ability in to account.
You must have been a youngin lol There was a lot of talk of Leaf over Manning (a lot more than RG3 over Luck) Numerous scouts and people with within the Colts organization had that idea
Well I'm not suggesting they "wait" a top tier QB isn't available...nothing is going to change that. Either they take a top tier defensive player in an effort to build a championship caliber defense, or they take the best of a meh QB class and hope he magically turns into a better QB. Also, there is nothing "raw" about Clowney, I think you have him confused with Barr.
Clowney is RAW, watch some game tape. Swim move or bull rush. His hand fighting is awful, and his motor on run plays is lackluster. Has 10x the ability of someone like JJ Watt, but will not be half the player. I don't like him. How Anthony Barr is going in the top 10 is beyond me. Whoever takes that cat is getting a Connor Barwin player. Clean up duty.
There is nothing really meh about Bridgewater. Great footwork, accurate from multiple arm angles, can avoid the rush, and has a quick release. And his greatest intangible is his ability to read a defense. That's not meh. That is step in from day one and be better than anything that the Texans had last year.
You know the rules around here... Show the documentation. Manning was considered a "once in a lifetime" pick when he was coming out. I'm sure there's documentation of that as well. But the Johnny and Teddy debate doesn't fall in that category because neither are considered as such.
Wow. I think I understand now why we rarely agree, I have no clue how you could actually watch film on him and come out with that take. There is literally nothing at all raw about his game, he's a polished pass rusher and he's amazing against the run. Damn.
We don't agree because his lack of desire to dominate every play is concerning. 3 sacks this year? That is effort. He got doubled and chipped more this year. Absolutely. Are you telling me you watched every game? Why are his coaches excited to have him leave. He isn't polished. He has so much room for improvement and most of it starts in his head. Lord have mercy.
Yeah, I've watched literally every game. Also your claiming that he was "raw" shouldn't have anything to do with your perception of "lack of desire" unless you are admitting that your take on him is just completely biased due to that (false) impression.
Anyway, back to the ridiculous Manning vs Leaf discussion, I decided to look up some articles and it was exactly as I remembered. There were people who tried to argue that Leaf had the better upside, but Manning was viewed as by far the most NFL ready prospect. I love that one of the few who picked Leaf was the Bills GM.....it just shows why the Bills are the Bills.
6'6 260 of muscle. Probably will put up the best combine numbers from a DE position EVER. And had only three sacks in 12 games. That is called being "Raw/Lack of heart". You brought up Dwight Howard earlier when you had nothing to say after EndOWorld brought something that came off intelligent earlier. There is a reason Dwight doesn't dominate, and that is because he is Raw and lacks that desire to be great. Great in the weight room, wuss upstairs.
Thats not even the debate. Everyone and their grandmother new Peyton was the most NFL ready, it was about whether or not physical talent/ceiling over came NFL readiness
I don't think anybody here disagrees that the Bills suck. All I am saying is that at the time before the draft. Many were saying Leaf. Just as some are saying Manziel now and RG3 before that.
No it's not, and I invite you to watch some film so you can realize that obvious fact. If your idea of player analysis is simply to look at how many sacks a player got, I absolutely understand why you don't like Clowney.
After the year he had prior, he dropped significantly and showed little to no improvement. That is a sign of heart. Pretty good analysis given from a player perspective if you ask me.
Great point. He has so many character red flags, it's hard to take clowney supporters seriously. Now they are blathering about "sacks are not everything"... Umm I agree to a certain extent but 3 sacks for a whole season is unacceptable for an "elite pass rusher" & a potential 1.1 pick. What I love most about Clowney supporters is they are ALREADY making excuses for him.
