Console Wars Thread! PS4 vs. Xbox One vs. Wii U Fight!

I don't even know why you quoted me since only like one line even refers to me. I'll reply though, and repeat the same tired **** I have been...both consoles are good...both have good games...both will sell a lot. The evidence is fairly clear that PS4 will end up selling a little more (if only because it is cheaper). It doesn't matter though.

I think PS4 will continue to have a performance advantage throughout the console lifetime on multiplatform games. There is again, a lot of evidence suggesting it will last at least awhile.

No clue why you're mentioning Titanfall, I have said nothing but positive things about it. Other than Destiny it is the game I'm most excited for, I nearly bought an Xbox One for this reason only. It's available for PC, however so PS4.

 

PS4 has some great edges (which is probably why it is selling better), but it just depends on what you're looking for. They've generally all been listed already (to some degree). Part of it is popularity too though. Xbox isn't very popular (it is rebounding a bit in the US, but it has never been that popular outside of the country).

Oh yeah. There isn't really much work needed by the consoles. The bulk of this will depend on the VR headset itself, and the software behind it. The hardware is more than capable though.

(of course, you'll always want "better" hardware, but I don't think the hardware in the PS4/XBO is holding back any sort of VR headset implementation)

 

Because Im not going to make a separate post...the part that applies to you, applies to you. The rest of the stuff applies to general discussion.

 

Well that's good to know. That's the only real worry I had about next gen, that it wouldn't have the power to keep up with things like the Oculus Rift.

 

The line that did very vaguely applied to me, that was my point.

 

Didn't mean PS4 hit 200MPH, meant that it is already showing its edge. It is far from hitting top speed (same for XBO), but even at these "low" speeds, there is great distance between the two IMO (and I'm not sure the gap will narrow).

I'm rushed for time, so I can't post a more detailed response to your post (and even if I did, I might end up asking myself if it was worth it).

I'll just take one point for now.

You claim that the XBO is every bit as capable of delivering 1080p and/or 60 FPS.

Why?

Because of Forza?

The PS3 could deliver 1080p at 60FPS. Does that mean the PS3 is just as capable as the PS4? Faulty logic is faulty.
(This is like the 4th or 5th time I've used this example, and it tends to be ignored)

You're essentially saying the XBO can produce some great graphics (see Forza and Ryse). No one should disagree with that (just like the PS2/XB and PS3/360 produce some great graphics). That is different than stating it produces graphics on par (or better) than the PS4 (which is generally thing people focus on in here). If you want to make that claim, you'll have to come up with better arguments/evidence.

 

So what exactly have we learned that we didn't know already? Nothing.

I knew which console was the better one at gaming before I bought my Xbox 1. My wife can use it (LOVES the XB Fitness and Forza). My kid will be able to use it also in due time.


I wonder how much it'll cost to watch NFL games. If it's cheaper than Sunday Ticket..I'm all for it. If it's not, I don't see why I wouldn't just get it on DirecTv.

Another thing I started using yesterday.. losmovies.com..I can stream movies now. There are other sites for tv shows

 

Okay, then my question is what has the PS4 done that is hardware-wise more impressive than Ryse and/or Forza? Again, I know that the PS4 has better specs than the XBox, but until there is a clear edge there, then I dont see what the big deal is.

There have been differences with some of the multiplat games, but I think that has more to do with time constraints than actual system capability. Pretty much FIFA, BF4, and AC were at the same level on both systems.

I just fail to see how there is such a gap between the two. Maybe my eyes are failing me.

 

XB Fitness is awesome...my wife does it too. And I jump on and do the Insanity/P90x workouts when I dont feel like going to the gym. It kicks my ass.

 

You realize that this has little do with hardware, right? Especially given the timing? That's more of a "MS has done more to push visuals than Sony" question if anything.

In this case especially, it is difficult to objectively discuss since the points you're making are subjective. To be fair, discussing the specs would be pretty one-sided and not lend itself to much discussion. I can say Killzone is more impressive than Ryse (since it is 1080p and consistently over 30 FPS...sometimes 60 FPS). Driveclub is more impressive than Forza (if you want to say it isn't released, fine, throw in another game that doesn't use cardboard crowds).

There's not really a good objective way of saying game X is better than game Y, visually speaking. Silent Hill 3 looks better to me than Silent Hill 5, and that's comparing a PS2 game to a PS3 game. No one should try to conclude that the PS3 is more powerful though. Build SH3 for the PS3 (or SH5 for the PS2), and you can see the difference in power in the results.

Multiplatform games are the easiest way to see the differences in hardware power. Build the same type of game, same type of rendering engine, same budget, etc. The same trade-offs (more or less) taken into account. You don't have to argue around art design and subjective things like that. You now have Apples to Apples, and we can check out the results.

Or we can ignore the apples, and just try to compare oranges to meatloaf.

Fair enough (though I think there is already a clear edge). It seems a bit silly to ignore something that is bound to happen though. Those better specs aren't meaningless (i.e., they're going to get used).

If it is time constraints, why are the differences all in one direction? And why are they all in the areas that are the strengths of the PS4? The PS4's specs indicate an advantage when it comes to pushing higher resolutions and....shock and awe! Several games are pushing higher resolutions on the PS4! Coincidence? We don't seem to see any advantages for things like physics, AI, loading times, etc. Well...there are some loading time issue, but that seems to be due to the XBO OS having issues installing data.

(actually, physics, AI, etc., might be better on PS4 over time, as more devs offload certain things to compute, but that isn't happening just yet)

BF4 and AC are not at the same level on both systems. IIRC, BF4 has higher resolution, more/better effects, and better framerate on PS4. AC has higher resolution, better AA, and a locked 30 FPS on PS4. I actually wonder if AC was a bit like Tomb Raider, but one dev decided to lock the framerate while the other kept it unlocked.

FIFA is roughly the same AFAIK, but it is also 1080p/60FPS. It isn't really pushing the systems hard, and both platformed are capped at 1080p/60FPS (both could/would do better, but EA has capped their performance). Might as well use Angry Birds as an example.

No surprise that more intensive games tend to show bigger differences between the systems (especially with unlocked framerates).

"That's just EXCUSES RC!"
So? Hey, your mom is so ugly, not even fluorine would bond with her!

Specs show it for one (understanding the specs give you a solid base of what to expect). The muliplatform games appear to be backing what the specs say, more or less. Again, we didn't see too many Tomb Raider situations with 360/PS3. Games that were just "barely" different between platforms were often a big deal.

 

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Dude RC cola is on fire in this thread.

Thanks RC for posting all that useful information. It's nice how you stick to facts. Whether someone wants to accept those facts that's up to them. It seems like for some reason there are a lot of people who want to ignore those facts.

I personally don't understand why someone wants to ignore those facts and accept the fact the ps4 is the more powerful system and capable of delivering more detailed graphics and higher frame rates. For me that's one of the most important things I cared about and drove me to buy a PS4. For someone else it may be totally different. You may like Kinnect or Xbox live or certain exclusives. So just be happy with your decision and don't worry that the other system has better graphics. It's just one aspect of your decision to buy your console. But it is annoying when you choose to ignore those facts over and over and use insane arguments against it.

For example I recently bought a retina ipad mini. For those of you who follow tech news you may know the retina minis display is inferior to amazons new kindle. The mini has a narrower color gamut and colors appear less vibrant when compared to the new amazon kindle fire. The ipad is also on average a $100 more expensive than the kindle. I knew this fact and still decided to purchase the mini because I like apples iOS and app selection. Am I going to be a illogical kid and argue my display is better than the kindle??? Nope.. I'm perfectly happy with my mini and don't regret my decision but I'm not going to act like a fool and try to argue to someone that my display is better than the kindle. I can accept the fact that the competition has a better display and that doesn't make me any less happy.

 

Ipad Mini + Bejeweled blitz + Candy Crush > PS4 + Xbox1

 

I have a PS4...a PS4 that has been turned on maybe twice, the last of which being around Christmas. I have no use for it. I understand the power behind it, I know all of that. What I care about is the actual use of the system. My most played game is Forza...Ive played BF4 on both systems. I didnt play them side by side, but I can say that I didnt notice any difference when playing on one system to the next. If there is a difference like RC said, then it's pretty negligible. At least, my untrained eyes dont notice any difference. Maybe if I had two TVs set up next to each other, I'd be shocked.

So all this talk of the PS4 being so powerful is pretty awesome, and I am definitely waiting and hoping for some amazing stuff...but right now I pretty much play Forza...and the next game on my agenda is Titanfall. I wont be buying Drive Club bc of Forza...Uncharted will be a must-buy...If I feel like baseball then The Show is definitely the best. From someone that has both systems, I have no reason to knock one in favor of the other...all I know is that my XBox gets plenty of use from me while my PS has been nothing but a paperweight. Im thinking of getting a Vita to spice it up a little, but might wait it out until the summer.

 

horrible car analogy.. but if you want to use cars as a analogy let me try and bring this down to cars most poeple understand and can afford.
Let's use the Honda Civic and Honda Accord. In this case let's say the XB1 is the Civic and the PS4 is the Accord.
So yes both cars can reach 100mph, but the Accord with the larger more powerful engine is going to get there a lot quicker and with a lot less effort. The fact is and which can not be ignored is the Accord just has a larger more powerful engine and is capable of much more than Civic. Just like both systems are capable of 1080p 60FPS but its going to take the PS4 a lot less effort and tradeoff to get there. It's just fact.

Just look at PCs for example. Why do people pay more money for better graphics cards and RAM? Because you will see a return in performance. The PS4 as mentioned a billion times in this thread and all over the net simply has a better version of AMD's GPU. Many tech sites compared it to a Radeon HD 7790 in the XB1 and a AMD Radeon 7870 in the PS4. If you install those on two identical PC's and then play COD, I gurantee you that you will see higher framerates, higher resoltuions/performance in the 7870. This is probably the same reason why we are seeing these performance gaps on the early batch of cross playform games. This is not even taking into account the advantage of GDDR5 RAM vs DDR3 RAM.

 

I haven't seen any game on either system that's worth shelling out $400-$500 for.

I think most of these games RC Cola mentions are good are like 50% cut scenes like Metal Gear or Final Fantasy. Screw that, I want action.

I'm not upgrading , 360 > all

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That's all fine... It just becomes ridiculous when someone is going to claim the XB1 is just as powerful as the PS4 when it simply is not true. But if you you currently enjoy the XB1 more than the PS4 than thats great!! That is your right and your opinion and no one can argue against you on that. It's subjective and my opinion doesn't really matter in that case. See my ipad mini analogy. I felt the ipad mini was the best tablet for me and was my first choice despite knowing it has a inferior screen compared to the competition. I was willing to overlook that fact for my personal reasons.

 

haha we have a winner!!! to be honest i definitely spend more time on my iphone/ipad than I do on the my PS3/Xbox 360/Wii/Wii U and PS4.

 

It's diminishing returns. Can any person with a normal life, you know, work, eat, sleep, party, etc have that much time to play all these complicated ass games?
no. it's for the kids or the people who have too much time on their hands.

I still haven't finished COD Black Ops 2 campaign or barely scrapped mass effect 3.

I mean, it's cool that people have the latest and greatest, but lets be real. there's really nothing out for either next gen systems thats any good.

 

I havent seen one person say that the XBox is just as powerful as the PS4. What Im saying is that the PS4 hasnt done much to show it's dominance in this area...at least, not as much as the PS4 supporters are claiming.

Clearly the PS4 can be more capable...but until they put out some games that really distinguish it, then it's just hogwash.

And if both the Accord and Civic can hit 100 mph, then it really doesnt matter how easy/hard it is for them to get there...they're both going to get from Houston to Los Angeles at pretty much the same amount of time...except that the Civic with the less powerful engine, can probably get better mpg, so it might have less stops at gas stations. Just using your great analogy.