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Barack's state of the union 2014: "Since I am incapable of working w/ congress, I'll play dictator"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. SexyButIgnorant

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    I was about to post an essay on exactly how wrong you were, because the facts show a highly below average presidency. But unfortunately, you're right. History will indeed forgive his mistakes, look past a presidency very similar to Bush43, and honor him as the first African American president, a champion of minorities and a beacon of hope.

    But man, I hope I'm wrong.
     
  2. peleincubus

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    The republicans small beacon of hope from this Obama onslaught is to continue breaking the filibuster record by a large margin year after year.

    We can only hope they survive these indignities.
     
  3. FV Santiago

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    Because of American voters' inability to understand the cause of issues versus mere correlation, Obama's legacy will largely depend on whether or not the stock market crashes before or after he leaves office. That timing will dictate what the budget deficit and national debt look like, which will in turn cause voters to (foolishly) conclude whether his policies were beneficial or not. This is a real problem that American voters have -- and of course politicians will seek to exploit the inability to recognize causation versus correlation. Clinton left office before the internet stock bubble popped, but GW Bush was not able to escape before Greenspan's monetary policy-driven stock market bubble and credit market (housing) bubble popped. Most smart Americans recognize that today's stock market highs are the result of the Federal Reserve's actions and not the result of Obama's actions -- i.e. raising taxes, nationalizing healthcare, and green energy scams. The problem is that there are far more dumb Americans who have no hope of understanding these relationships.
     
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  4. mtbrays

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    Now, you criticized me in the past for using profanity to make a point, right? You know, the I-know-he's-right-but-I'll-use-this-as-an-excuse-to-negate-his-point approach, correct?

    Well, sir, I don't see how you can claim to make this point of yours without using correct capitalization. Grammar mistakes are just as much, if not more, offensive to me than profanity. So, please, it's State of the Union and Congress. You'll get a pass this time, but any such future transgressions will not.
     
  6. Commodore

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  7. Phillyrocket

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    :rolleyes: You see there is thing called COBRA which we already have and doesn't work because no one can afford it. Brilliant GOP just brilliant.

    I'm not the biggest fan of the PPACA since it's far too weak but at least it forces the conversation that will one day lead to a single payer system.

    Hopefully in my lifetime.
     
  8. Hustle Town

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAH This is a joke, right? I mean, you couldn't possibly mean any of the lies in this post?
     
  9. Raven

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    To keep the poor outside looking in and to keep the rich on top.
     
  10. Nook

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    Nope, when politics blur (and they do over time), Barry will be remembered very fondly as a trailblazer for historically oppressed groups. He is the first non-white President in over 200 years of American Presidential history. Further he is extremely charismatic and young and the first President to use the Information Age.

    Since being elected Obama has been pushed hard in Public Schools. There are numerous books on him in school libraries, he has addressed students via video a number of times. Further the number of biracial and minority children is very high in elementary schools and Obama is a role model.

    He will be remembered fondly 20-30 years from now when the generation of children are adults and in position to shape his legacy.
     
  11. bigtexxx

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    So what you're saying is the only thing he has going for him is that he's half-white, half-black? Something that was out of his control?

    Probably right. His accomplishments are pretty few and far between, so the race thing is all he's got to hang his hat on.
     
  12. mc mark

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    Is this a fact, logical, or opinion? I can't tell
     
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    Fact. Obama hasn't accomplished much at all. The turd of a healthcare plan is more of a "negative accomplishment", because it's been an confirmed disaster.
     
  14. mc mark

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    Confirmed by whom?

    IMHO you don't seem to know what you are talking about. That is obviously an opinion.
     
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    Holy ****, this is amazing.
     
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    It's an exact representation of the moment FV Santiago types his missive and hits "Submit."
     
  17. Dairy Ashford

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    Actually he'll be remembered like LBJ: genuine gains and leadership on social policy, but considered a failure on debt, because just like Vietnam casualties all that will be left are the numbers.
     
  18. FV Santiago

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    Obamacare was passed using lies and deceit. Despite lacking popular support, and despite the economy and jobs being much more pressing needs for the country in 2009 and 2010, this bill was rammed through the Senate using reconciliation. Let's step through each and every failure of this obviously failed bill.

    1. Lied to the American people about the individual mandate not being a tax. Then sent the Solicitor General to the Supreme Court to argue that it was Constitutional because it was a tax.
    2. Lied to the American people about being able to keep your insurance if you liked it. 2013's "lie of the year".
    3. Passed the bill in the most sleazy fashion possible – using kickbacks and back-room deals and also using the reconciliation process.
    4. Taxes went up dramatically as a result of Obamacare. Taxes on investments, taxes on houses, taxes on earnings, and many many more.
    5. A large chunk of those higher taxes went to fund $600 million on a website that did not work and still does not work.
    6. Delays and changes to the program without Congressional input.
    7. Over 6 million Americans have lost their insurance.
    8. Enrollment figures are dramatically below estimates, and the overwhelming majority of people enrolling already had health insurance.
    9. The mix of the enrollees is very poor (not enough young healthy people), which will lead to huge financial shortfalls in the future. Here comes a bailout of massive proportions, funded by you, the taxpayer.
    10. Huge changes are coming to employer-driven plans (higher co-pays, deductibles, and out-of-pocket maximums) and a staggering number of employees will have their health insurance dropped because employers can no longer afford them.

    All of this is on top of healthcare costs rising dramatically in many states. No objective review of this bill can be positive. It's not possible.
     
  19. Phillyrocket

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    The success is it forces a confrontation on healthcare. Obama wanted a single payer system, offered the notion of a single payer option, and finally settled on a system that moves in the right direction but really doesn't accomplish that much. However if this legislation finally forces the US to stop putting it's head in the sand and accept the reality that healthcare as employer based insurance is a laughable farce then it's worthwhile.

    Problem is this country has to be held by the hand and coddled into what other countries learned, accepted, and implemented a long time ago. You can't make the necessary changes too quickly lest you be called a communist, socialist, Marxist, etc. etc. But eventually Americans get it. We accepted Medicare, SS, heck civil rights, and women's suffrage with similar angst. We're now coming around on legalizing mar1juana and gay marriage. Eventually we'll have a single payer healthcare system as well.
     
  20. M.G.

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    Man, I would surely hope so. Time for Barry to finally seize control. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't at least commence a Reign of Terror and start executing conservatives left and right for being enemies of the state.

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