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Teddy Bridgewater or Bust

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Old Man Rock, Dec 3, 2013.

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Of those 7 listed, only 4 are "great"
     
  2. HTown_DieHard

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    you're neglecting the obvious common denominator:

    Brady
    Roethlisberger
    Peyton
    Brees
    Rodgers (this is how you spell Rodgers btw.. SMH)
    Eli

    All are considered "very good to great" quarterbacks!

    It's hard to take you seriously when you have the grammar of a 1st grader and the spelling of a toddler.
     
  3. M.G.

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    I think he clearly wants us to see the strategic importance of the onside kick. Can't win a Super Bowl with an elite quarterback without that all-importnat element on your team.

    Ridiculous, lol.
     
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  4. HTown_DieHard

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    By the way...

    Superbowl 2010... Clay Matthews had 3 TOT and 1 PD

    Aaron Rodgers: 24/39 304yards 3TD 0INT 111.5 Rating

    So you're telling me CMIII impacted the Superbowl as much as Rodgers... Idiot
     
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    All 7 make plays under pressure at least occasionally. The 3 that aren't great had elite aspects on their team's defense. But I do agree that you don't need an elite QB to win the championship. You can win with elite defense.
     
  6. Old Man Rock

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    The trend I see is you need good to great QB play to get to the super bowl and a decent defense. Even Flacco had a great run last year. Where do we sign up to get a QB that can deliver that kind of play. No one is giving them away.

    Here's an idea... We could hope and dream one comes available in the draft and we stink so bad we get the first overall pick?

    The reality is you need both but only one player can have the biggest impact and it's not Defensive end.
     
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    Yeah, but in what round do we draft an onside kicker?

    New Thread idea: Onside Kick-er Bust????

    Anyone?????? :grin:
     
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    7 players.

    2 overall #1 picks
    5 1st round picks
    1 2nd round pick(and 1st pick of the 2nd round no less) and got there due to his slight build
    1 6th round pick.

    So 71% of SB QBs are drafted in the 1st round, 40% of 1st round QBs are overall #1 picks.
    29% of SB QBs are drafted in rounds 2-7

    Seems to me you advocate drafting a QB with a 1st round pick.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to argue, nor do I care, but the only trend you show is very poor analysis.
     
  10. Old Man Rock

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    He is. He just wants it to be JFF.

    Pretty clear where he stands, although he'll do a dance from time to time.
     
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    i believe he wants clowney.

    hence his last post was an elementary attempt at proving defense wins championships...
     
  12. Old Man Rock

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    Clowney is just a smokescreen, hence his dance. His quotes make it clear he dreams of Johnny Football. I think he gets if we don't go Clowney it won't be Manziel first overall.
     
  13. Old Man Rock

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    [​IMG]

    This an idea of how TB works. You miss the beginning but he sees the LB's creeping in and then runs to the line and makes adjustments. He does this twice.

    The line picks up the blitz but the right tackle can't handle his man 1 on 1 and Teddy has to scramble.

    With another end on his left charging he moves around the right rush always keeping his head downfield.

    He sees his one reciever doesn't have enough space so he looks toward his check down reciever. He could throw to his check down reciever but the safety is lurking.

    This is when Schaub would throw his pick six. But not Teddy he looks downfield and sees separation and throws a perfect pass.

    Nothing glamourous about that play. Just another day in the park for TB and an example of how he is able to elude the pressure while keeping his eyes on the whole field and making the right decision.
     
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    TOO. MUCH. LOGIC.

    :grin:
     
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    Pot, hey meet kettle
     
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    I see the trend. And Manning had Bob Sanders to help him win that 1st one. And Charles Woodson was also good for Green Bay as well. Rodgers can't even win a playoff game without a good defense. i

    But you're not going to win over here with that argument. Teddy has a cult following and some feel he's elite like Manning and Brady.
     
  17. Old Man Rock

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    I am not saying defense isn't important for a championship team. It obviously is. But no one player on defense is as important as quarterback. The Ravens didn't give a 29 million signing bonus to any defensive player. Even average players like Schaub get megabucks. It just makes sense to draft a QB first overall if you think he has a chance of being good and you're going to have to pay him a ****load of money anyway.

    I get if you do not believe there is anyone you believe will be a good QB. I get you don't believe Teddy B is that QB. ANd maybe there are some that would draft Teddy no matter what un here but I am not one of them.

    If I thought Johnny Manziel was the better QB I would take him in a sec. I never hld all that stupid off the fieeld stuff against him. To me he had little or nothing to do with football. I still think he is amazing and maybe in the right system a lot of that amaziness can transfer.

    I also like Garropolo, think he has a good arm and decent pocket skills with some mobility. He looked good in the college senior bowls. But he is not a finished product and Teddy does so many things better than him. And for me you have to take the best QB available. If you believe that QB is somebody else and you have excellent intel that makes you believe he will definitely not be taken. The I start to evaluate Clowney more or trade down. But you're intel better be pretty damn good or you better have alternative options that you believe will be just as good.

    Personally I don't see it. I think if Bridgewater would have gone pro last year and we got him we would have won a lot more games.
     
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    I think Kubiak (and the rest of the Texans brain trust) had more to do with the Texans only winning two games than Schaub and Case. He kept putting Schaub in a position to make throws he couldn't make and or that the defense knew what was coming (like Richard Sherman said). And Case was put in a situation he couldn't succeed in.

    I think coaching has a lot more to do with a quarterback being successful (and the team he has around him) than the quarterback himself because these quarterbacks do have talent in one way or another.*And this is where we have a difference of opinion because I have faith in O'Brien's ability to coach up QBs and his play calling. Heck, Logan Thomas may could end up being the best QB in this draft if O'Brien gets his hands on him.
     
  19. Old Man Rock

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    Wow, you are right, that's where we are diffrent. I see Logan Thomas a backup QB no matter who coaches him. What is it you like about him? His size? Yeah his big and he can sort of power run over guys. But is that what you really want your QB to do in the NFL. He hasn't even improved much over his years in college. maybe it's poor coaching but Beamer's supposed to be pretty good. Everyone who comes out of college is a project and those who take to coaching quicker can improve quicker and I agree a little less talent on a smart player is okay but there is something to said for talent.
     
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