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Gary Kubiak fired

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Dec 6, 2013.

  1. Hey Now!

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    Fairly evident at this point that Flacco had an incredible - but fleeting - run of (perfectly-timed) near-perfection that had absolutely nothing to do with his OC.

    Jim Caldwell might be a compentent Xs and Os guy - but you'd be hard-pressed to find any evidence to support it. He rode Peyton Manning's coattails and has been a below-average HC/OC w/o him. What can he hang his hat on? Gary Kubiak turned Matt Schaub, Arian Foster, Owen Daniels,Wade Smith and Chris Myers into Pro Bowlers; developed a premiere LT and elevated an already extremely good Andre Johnson to a level on pace with all-time greats.

    Baltimore is a better team today than it was yesterday.
     
  2. SwoLy-D

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    WAIT... WHAT?!?!?! :(

    Sincerely,

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  3. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sources: Former Texans tight ends coach Brian Pariani to join Ravens staff, replace tight ends coach Wade Harman: <a href="http://t.co/CVAoVTm7Ep">http://t.co/CVAoVTm7Ep</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@RavensInsider) <a href="https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/statuses/427919139781754880">January 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  4. ima_drummer2k

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    Good for Kubes for landing on his feet.

    I was hoping he'd take a year off for health reasons, though. Maybe he should be a press box OC and stay away from the sideline for a year. It worked for Capers.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Based on what . . .14-0 before Polin made him pull his starters in his first year. 10-6 second yr. then 2-14 with Kerry Collins [recently acquired] and olysosky/painter <--- Maybe the only two quarterbacks WORSE than David Carr. [Manning was franchise tagged and that was a lot of dead money]


    Kubiak didn't 'RIDE' Elway's coattails???
    Kubiak was FORCED to use foster . ..

    Kubes got more of a shot at the HC gig than Caldwell got .. .
    Kubes seemed to have more latitude.


    I just don't like the knocking a guy to uplift another one.

    Rocket River
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    You're taking much too narrow of a view; what has he done as an offensive coordinator? He "coached" Peyton Manning, which seems about as difficult a task as counting to 1. In his most recent non-Peyton Manning coaching assignments, he oversaw a destructively terrible QB situation in Indianapolis and guided Joe Flacco to his worst year as a pro.

    John Elway was 1,342 years old when the Broncos finally won rings. They rode Terrell Davis. I can't tell you how much of an impact Kubiak had on Denver's running game - but he, more or less, duplicated it here.

    And I don't understand the "FORCED" reference to Foster. Kubiak drafted him, groomed him and handed him the rheins. It might have been a year late, I guess - but it sure seemd like Kubiak was THE guiding force behind the emergence of Arian Foster. Can you name a single player Caldwell developed?

    Are you really going to argue Caldwell has been unfairly slighted when he just beat Kubiak out of the gig in Detroit?

    I think it speaks volumes that Caldwell was jettisoned so quickly in Indianapolis: he had zero impact on that franchise, and they didn't trust him to groom Luck.

    Me thinks you're being overly sensitive. I asked you what, if anything, Caldwell could hang his hat on, besides being on the same sideline as Peyton Manning... and you didn't really come up with anything.
     
  7. BabyBatterBoy

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    Arian went undrafted buddy.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    You dismiss his effect on the Ravens winning the superbowl
    you dismiss his 14-0 start of a season
    You prop Kubes for Drafting Arian [which he did not do . . he was undrafted and sat on the practice squad until we literally ran out of running backs]
    If you going to Say Caldwell was responsible for Flacco's worse year. .. then Kubes is responsible for Carr's last year and last year with Schuab [one of his worse]

    Schaub's best < Flacco's best [which was a Superbowl]
    Schaub's worse is worse than Flacco's worse [this year for both]

    you seem a bit sensitive

    Let me guess. . . .the Texans losing was not on Kubes but on Rick Smith/McNair and the popcorn vendors

    Rocket River
     
  9. Furious Jam

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    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Hope Flacco likes lots of handoffs, bootlegs, and draws on 3rd & long.
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    That sounds exactly like the offense they've been running the past 5-6 years, only without the ZBS.
     
  11. The Real Shady

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    I'm happy for Kubes because he's a good guy, but I would touch him or any of the Shannahans right now. It really seems like their system has been figured out and I wouldn't put my faith that they figured out a way to adjust.
     
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    "He hate me"
     
  13. david_rocket

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    so ray rice is going to get over 300 carries next season, and have more injuries the following years, just like happened with the RBs under kubiak (terrell davis and arian foster).
     
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    Ray Rice already sucks though. He can't fall off much more.
     
  15. ubigred

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    Star studded? Muahahahaha
     
  16. CometsWin

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    Nice fact check.

    :grin:
     
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    LOL, this is pretty funny.

    Schaub's best was 4770 yards 67.9 completion percentage 29 TD's 15 interceptions

    Flacco's best was 3622 yards 62.6 completion percentage 25 TD's 10 interceptions

    Schaub's worst plus Case Keenum was 4070 yards 58.3 completion percentage 19 TD 20 interceptions

    Flacco's this year was 3912 yards 59 completion percentage 19 TD's 22 interceptions


    Basically Flacco right now is worse than the platoon of Schaub and Keenum. There is no intelligent argument for Flacco being more than an average QB at best.
     
  18. justafriend

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    Did you know that after the season they have this little tournament they call the NFL playoffs? Though I somewhat agree with the last sentence.
     
  19. Old Man Rock

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    This should convince you the value of the QB. Schaub gets 17 mil signing bonus and Flacco gets 29 mil. Even average QB's make a lot of money, might as well throw that money at the best QB you can get in the draft. At least then you get a few years on the cheap.
     
  20. Remii

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    Didn't Schaub put up those numbers against teams playing prevent defenses... Empty stats and Kubiak had people fooled thinking he was a good QB.

    And not having Boldin and Ray Rice turning into garbage over night really hurt Flacco this year and his tight end missed half the season as well. But they managed to win more than two games.
     

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