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[HotBalla Files] When Pregnancy Is Not Enough to Prove Motherhood

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by shastarocket, Jan 27, 2014.

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  1. shastarocket

    shastarocket Member

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    http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/pregn...-and-the-twin-was-the-mother-of-her-children/

    Really interesting case that raises some questions about the viability of genetic testing and reminds us of just how little we actually know.
     
    #1 shastarocket, Jan 27, 2014
  2. Kim

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    This is like the 3rd time I've encountered this story in the past 5 years. There have been documented cases of legal paternity issues in the past due to this confusion. I've read about some, seen some on Mystery Diagnosis and probably House, lol.
     
    #2 Kim, Jan 27, 2014
  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    i no understand.
     
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  4. shastarocket

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    Basically, these women have chimerism, an ultra-rare medical condition where a person has pockets of foreign genetic information in their body. In this case, the woman likely absorbed some genetic tissue of her twin that died while they were both in the womb.

    This only became a problem for her because that extra genetic information was actually concentrated in her ovaries. So, the eggs that her body used to produce her children actually contained the genetic info of the twin!

    In other words, although she gave birth to the kids, they were not technically her "biological" children.

    :eek:
     
    #4 shastarocket, Jan 27, 2014
  5. Hmm

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    the cause is clear...



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  6. Kim

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    Not sure if the twin died in the womb or that it just never fully formed. So like it's one person, who has two sets of DNA, essentially being her own twin. In this case, it was finding where the other DNA is, and iirc in other cases, sometimes the other DNA randomly is accessible. Actually, the details are fuzzy.
     
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    Not hotballa-files worthy. The OP does not involve disastrous sexual experimentation or unfathomably awful things happening to children.

    Boo this man.
     
    #7 rhadamanthus, Jan 27, 2014
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    Thanks, I've heard of that before...was just too lazy to read it. Probably liked your summary a lot better anyways lol.
     
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    Sounds kind of like being a surrogate mother, only with out your knowledge.
     
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    how did hotballa develop this reputation apart from basically admitting to being a rapist LOL
     
    #10 Panda23, Jan 27, 2014
  11. hotballa

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    thanks for the tldr. there's a BLB somewhere around here; Gives birth to child conceived through natural methods: Not the Mother


    She teased me to an unstoppable point and then told me no. All part of her plan apparently.
     
    #11 hotballa, Jan 27, 2014
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    Hope her kid felt bad for saying,

    "You're not my mom!"
     
    #12 CCorn, Jan 27, 2014
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    I'm a doctor and even I'm a little confused by the idea that the mother shares zero genetic material with the children. Even with chimerism, the genetic material still comes from the same mom/dad. That would be like saying fraternal twins share no DNA in common. Surely some markers/alleles had to match up, just not the ones commonly tested.
     
    #13 xcrunner51, Jan 27, 2014
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    I...I...I....

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    Let me be the first to welcome our new overlord Parasite Eve.
     
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    I'm doubtful that would hold up in a court LOL
     
    #16 Panda23, Jan 28, 2014
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    But where does she pee out of when she has a tampon in?
     
    #17 Ender120, Jan 28, 2014
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    Yeah, I chalked that up to the ignorance or bad communication skills of the journalist. The woman would have some genetic code in common with what is essentially her genetic nieces or nephews. Maybe an analysis could rule her out as the mother, but if it said there was no relation at all then some tech must have screwed up. Or she stole some stranger's eggs.
     
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    I understand what is going on here.

    She has a magic vagina.
     
    #19 Christopher, Jan 28, 2014
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