[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

T_Man:

After reading your below posts more carefully myself, looks like you, ed_tx and Clarinetmonster actually have more agreements with each other than disagreements. Ops, my fault. Sorry man.

This is why we should judge others' intention simply based on words they said :grin:

 

fair enough - I just don't want people to turn a blind eye to stats that are this telling because of who the player happens to be. I'm sure the vast majority of us want what's best for the team, period.

 

Hoop I did read about what he stated and that is why I made the reference of D-Mo and Howard and the big one with Sam and Kenny...

The finish of a game is entirely different then who starts.... You can show me as many stats as you want... But if I have a hot Garcia on the floor in the 4th I am not sitting him because the stats show me another player is better and having a so-so night.

So as I stated the flow of the game, especially the 4th is not the same as the start....

T_Man

 

What about if through 3 quarters, no one in particular has a hot hand? then how do you decide who finishes?

 

Corrected. Typing too fast. Sorry.

 

This is where I think history/stats should (not saying will) be used more - even McHale has his preferred rotations that stay pretty consistent game to game - yes he will leave in some hot hands if for some crazy reason Garcia is actually hitting some shots, or AB is going nuts etc. but there has to be some sort of default. Just saying that default should (in my opinion) involve more Lin.

 

Mr Must Fail warned him not to show off shooting talent. His duty is only allowed to make plays for others. Otherwise, he will be benched or made invisible on the floor.

 

correction - involve more Lin in the 4th.

 

T_Man:

Thanks for your reply. Like I said, we have more agreements than disagreements then. I hope from now on, the discussions on CF should be more like this, civil and respectful, without calling each other names as majority of us are all Rockets fans and most of us wish Rockets' success.

 

Sorry, off topic but: With all the discussion I completely forgot that we're playing tonight! When I remembered just now I got excited. Sometimes having a bad memory brings pleasant surprises

 

You base it on players, flow and coaches decision....

Most of the people on this board keep looking at one thing and that's scoring... If you look at this scenario players like Battier, Rodman and Rambis would never see the floor. These 3 guys were more valuable then a lot of scorers in a lot of games... Without there teams would not have won a championship. You have to have players who will do the dirty work.

The coach SHOULD know his players and how effective they are against other players on offense and defense... So using stats to see who starts is one thing... Using stats at the end is an entirely different scenario.

T_Man

 

Also I just want to say that I'm very happy that this thread has moved in a rational direction with sensible, fact based conversations/debates, rather than....well, the alternative.

 

My post was part of a string talking about why Lin's play is so much more passive this year than it was in NY. I was not saying that the offense should be geared towards Lin, just stating the fact that it isn't.

I agree with most of your points.

 

T_Man:

Looks like we have another minor disagreement here. You trust more the current coaching staff while I don't. In my opinion, Coach McHale is a slightly above average NBA coach. He is not a championship-level coach. If the Rockets intends to win championship(s, hopefully), an update on the coach will be needed sooner or later.

 

You guys do realize that discussing who should close games is it's own thread? No need to keep the thread about starting on a different rail. The posts trying to frame that discussion as a "gotcha" to Clutch are taking the wrong angle. Just conceded the point and start a new thread for the new argument. This is a great discussion to have.

This might be Smith-Cassell all over again. This wouldn't be the first time Rocket fans have seen a coach have to start and close with different point guards. Lin might be this team's OKC Harden.

I would point out that the dataset Clutch used covered about 17 games while the 4th quarter numbers cover 10 games. Not exactly the same data set or sample size. It will be clearer by the end of the season, but, given this team's horrible 4th quarter play, trying to close with Lin may be worth it.

 

are grizzlies a contending team, i am sick of rockets getting stucked in the mud with these teams.

 

Or you could just actually make a judgement based on what people post?

 

JeffB, you my friend are THE MAN.

 

Cool and I understand...

The structure in which he played in NY was unstructured.... D'Antoni , had a lot of hurt people and Lin was able to play street ball, but the problem is when you start to add other major parts you have to play structured.

Unstructured will never beat structured... and having a lot of scorers will never beat balance...

Both of these statements were proved with one series...

NBA Champions: 1977 Portland Trail Blazers vs Philadelphia 76ers

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Totally agree. Also, I agree let's give the current rotation a try this season. It is likely we will move to another direction after this season with coaching. At least I hope so.