everything you say is also speculation.. .I really cant wait for the combine.. To much speculation on everybodys part...
Why would it matter how fast they are if he's that accurate? An accurate passer throws to where the WR is going to be rather than blaming the WR for not being where he throws the ball.
We just like 2 different players for the Texans, and have our own opinions on how we value them/rate them.. At the end of the day the Texans will make the pick, and we will still be speculating until the season starts..
Which is why it was weird that someone would attempt to dismiss my legitimate concerns as "speculation"
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Charlie Strong is a great recruiter and he had 39 kids on that team out of the state of Florida. I'm not saying his receivers were great, but for the most part they were better than the competition they faced. You guys keep bringing up the Florida game. Rather they where a team on the downside or not that was still a top ranked team and Teddy didn't win that game by himself which shows that team has talent. And they play in a weak conference. So you can't insinuate that Teddy is the only talent on that team.
Ugh...let me try and keep up. Arizona...is not cold, Payton Manning at the PROBOWL is not cold...San Diego...not cold.
You know a prospect is good when everyone and their grandmother is twisting in the wind in a vain attempt to discredit him
You can mention small frame all you want and talk about "today's game" ( which btw, is ridiculous because it's not like Montana played in the 50s where the lineman were 250...there were plenty of great athletes in the 80s and 90s) , but at then end of the day there are plenty of QBs today that are in the 210 -225 range. TB May not be there now but it's not out of the realm that he could easily get there with time. Look, it's fine if you don't think he's the guy but I just don't think one or two inches and 10-20 lbs is the most valid of argument points for why you think he's not the guy.
Kind of curious so I pulled both A&M's and Louisville's 2014 NFL Draft Prospect Rankings from CBS. Strong was able to put together some very nice talent at Louisville, but with the exception of Bridgewater most of that talent was on the defensive side of the ball. 3 Teddy Bridgewater QB 30 Calvin Pryor FS 72 Marcus Smith DE 198 Preston Brown ILB 235 Hakeem Smith SS 535 Damian Copeland WR 727 BJ Butler FB 813 Kamran Joyer C 825 Senorise Perry RB 9 Total 1 Jake Matthews OT 8 Johnny Manziel QB 15 Mike Evans WR 327 Derel Walker WR 556 Nate Askew OLB 585 Nehemiah Hicks TE 622 Ben Malena RB 623 Travis Labhart WR 697 Steven Jenkins OLB 812 Toney Hurd CB 897 Tramain Jacobs CB 11 Total http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
This thread is literally, :grin::grin: Neither side (Pro-TB, Anti-TB) will give in. I can't wait until May!!!!
Well thanks for the effort but Peyton Manning almost never wears gloves and doesn't need to because he doesn't have small hands. Finding one picture of a QB with gloves on means nothing. Again, hand size is the potential issue, not gloves. I mention frame, someone mentions Joe Montana who struggled with injuries his entire career..... I don't think 10-20 pounds or one or two inches is "the reason" why Bridgewater shouldn't be the first overall pick in the draft, his small frame is just one concern. When you look to build a house, you need a good foundation, if the Texans build around Bridgewater and struggles with injury, what will that do to the team?
You did a good job looking this up, but I don't think any serious person was suggesting Manziel over Bridgewater so it doesn't really prove all that much. I like to think that everyone not wearing Aggie homer glasses realizes that Manziel shouldn't even be a first round pick.
High School prospect draft rankings are the reason a lot of coaches miss out on players. Too many high schoolers to look at to see who's the best. That's why I brought up the amount of talent Charlie had on that team out of Florida because that is one of the best states to pull football talent out of along with Texas and California.
He is one of the most accurate throwers in college football. To say he is not accurate throws all your credibility out the window. You can say he is accurate only because he had an easy SOS , which is BS too but at least there is a small sliver of debatibility. But when he throws the ball more frequently in the perfect spot with the right touch how can you debate that. Especially when he doesn't have 6'5" athletic recievers and one of his better receivers is 5'11". That has nothing to do with SOS. Here he is standing next to Pryor and Devante parker, listed at 6'2" and 6'3" respectively. Teddy Bridgewater stands taller than both. Teddy Bridgewater himself said he gained 50 lbs from the start of college to the end of his freshman year putting him att 220. Multiple scouting reports have him listed at 218. 2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater-scouting-report 195 is straight up speculation BS. Devante Parker is listed at 209 and he is thinner than Bridgewater. In addition the kid is strong. He does this to Linemen and linebackers all the time. It's closer to speculation BS. Either you have watched a very very small sample of Teddy's works and you made a rash judgement from that or you have no clue how to evaluate accuracy. He does have an issue on deeper routes but how you correlate that to hand size is absurd. Everyone is less accurate on long balls. Watson, his coach, says he has large hands. He also said TB is trained to throw to spots on the long ball. Most of his misses are overthrows to those spots. Even then he completes 50% of those. Manziel completes 55% but I would bet most of that if not all is because he has better receivers particularly Evans. TB's receivers in the pros (Texans) will be much better. The bottom line is he throws a beautiful spiral with great accuracy 70%, and (this is a big and) he never fumbles. 1 fumble lost in 3 years of college ball. (Big hands Jameis just fumbled his last game) what difference does it make. Bringing up hand size is not just speculation it's BS speculation.
Logic overload, TO MUCH SENSE TO COMPEHEND Seriously though, when people are groveling this low in a attempt to critique a prospect, you know you got a good player on your hands
Teddy won't be any smaller than Aaron Rodgers and Rodgers has been fairly healthy. I think the size think is overblown. He's a little wirey but he's not kellen Moore small. Hell be fine. As far as team talent, Manziel will have played with close to 5 1st round draft picks so you can get an idea of what he had to work with. Most of those on the o line and he still didn't have great pocket presence. Louisville did have a lot of talent however for a weak conference, but when they played the big dogs they showed up. Teddy showed up. Manziel can make great throws but what sets teddy apart for me is his brain. From everything I've read, the dude is basically a football savant. Plus he makes extremely quick reads and doesn't hold on to the ball very long. Another big thing is ball security. He makes minimal turnovers. Manziel is good but he is way too risky with the ball and turns it over a lot. I don't think he'll be a complete scrub in the nfl. He's not Tim tebow. He can play qb. I think as long as he doesn't go to the raiders hell see some success. Hell just need more time to adjust his game.
Teddy didn't show up against Houston and he didn't light it up against Florida. He should have been dominating his conference like Jimmy Garoppolo dominated his. If he did _ I think he would be more welcomed as the #1 overall pick despite his size. I don't not think Teddy can't be good at the next level but his on field performance along with his size doesn't warrant a #1 overall pick. People are too infatuated with him being able to read weak college defenses playing in a pro style system. And Johnny may not be even in consideration amongst the Texans brass. He was already wearing down during the college year. Can only assume that would continue in the pros.
You are a troll. Nothing you say ever makes any sense. Seriously. You are the only one who agrees with yourself. The only one out of hundreds of people that read this forum. There might be some that believe Bridgewater isn't the pick, but they don't say ridiculous things to get a rise out of people. He did light up Florida, and he did show up against U of H. He had a better game than many give him credit for.
