I think that's what makes a guy like Mettenburger in the 2nd or 3rd round that much more possible. He has the prototypical size and supposedly he's fairly bright and a hard worker. Who knows? It's WAY too early to know anything for certain.
Exactly the opposite. If you watch full game tape on him you'll see numerous times that he "gets away" with making throws that would be deemed inaccurate at the NFL level....hell he even makes some throws that are inaccurate at the college level from time to time seemingly out of nowhere. Could it be that his grip slips causing his normally good accuracy to fail? I don't know but I do know that if he made some of those passes at the next level, the other team would be getting the ball. A lot of people talk about Bridgewater's accuracy and they base it on either his completion percentage or highlight reels.
1. There might be some truth to that, but I wasn't talking about someone who didn't know what's going on. 2. Size means a whole lot when you are getting run over by an NFL OLB.
I know what it means for a guy to checkin too small. I am just not on a religious crusade to spread the gospel about a guy who I have no measurement data on yet. My unwavering position is that there is no point worrying about it until we know for sure. Then we can have at it. I actually don't think a certain player took plays off and my point is that that storyline is overwrought. (Re-read what was actually posted.) Please, stop reading every post with your mind already made up about the content of the post. I get your position on a Bridgewater. Now take the time and consideration to get mine: If the kid lacks the physical attributes to handle the position, then that is a major red flag and the team should act accordingly. How they should act or how they weigh his deficiencies versus his strengths I do not know. And that decision will be made even more difficult because they have a near can't miss prospect in Clowney sitting "right there." I do not argue that combine numbers don't matter. I argue that you won't find a strict correlation between those numbers and NFL success. Players succeed at varying heights and weights; and most players don't fit the prototype. Actually looking at the career arcs of players drafted high one notices patterns of laziness, injury, and scheme. That is my argument. Just take it for what it is. It is neither pro or con any player.
Nice read... So you think he should have sat out (if that's what you meant)...? There probably wouldn't be as many questions if he had done that.
That's a fair position, and I'm glad that you aren't a crusader but you aren't the only person I'm talking to. Others get angry at the mere thought that their guy might have a red flag or two to the point where if you talk about anything less than positive you get...... Well that's one theory.
Plus it's Friday... A lil snow on the ground and everyone calls in... And it's fun to discuss. Teams shop in the draft by physical traits and combine numbers more so than play on the field at times because the NFL is a developmental league. Doesn't always mean they pan out and there are guys who don't perform well at the combine and end up great. A majority of overall #1 draft picks never truly live up to that status on the NFL level so it's hard to expect it so a good productive player is what you hope for. But if you need the combine to decide which QB to draft with the #1 overall pick he's probably not worth drafting with that pick.
Still others get angry at the mere thought other people are in love with a prospect they don't personally like. We don't want Lin-loving to infect this sub-forum and we don't want hating-Lin-loving to infect it either. (Just look at the hornets swarming Clutch's latest article.) The thing I like about NFL draft is the sheer number of prospects and the importance of scheme-player fit. There is no guy with prototype size, prototype improvisational skill, and prototype intelligence at the QB spot this year. There is prototype size. There is prototype creativity. And there is prototype intelligence. Just not all three in the same guy. For the Texans' sake and dire need for a game changing QB, I really hope both Bridgewater and Manziel physically measure out and throw well at the combine and in their pro days and private workouts. And after years of watching the Texans get burned by cerebral, high-intangibles QBs, I would like the Texans to get that guy. Bridgewater sounds like that guy, so far. He just has to pass the battery of tests to come. O'Brien makes it more interesting because he has specific needs at QB with respect to intelligence, but seems to be more flexible at every other position, choosing to fit scheme to the players. This is quite a change for the Texans organization.
This thread is out of control!! Some love TB. Some hate TB. Fair enough. One thing I take from the thread is the TB haters genuinely fear the Texans are going to draft him considering the effort they put into forcing their issue against him, rather than discuss the player that they prefer. If the best you have is speculation and SOS.. You probably need to come up with a new gameplan.
No one "hates Bridgewater", the more accurate way to say it is that some love Teddy, some don't love Teddy. The opposite extreme doesn't really exist here as far as I've seen.
1. That's not what it revolves around, you should pay more attention. 2. I don't doubt that you chalk it up as hate, which is why I suggested that Bridgewater extremists are similar to Lin extremists. Any suggestion that your guy isn't the greatest thing that has ever lived is viewed as "hate", it's laughable.
Okay one at a time. 1. "You don't need the best accuracy in the world to beat AAC defenses but you do to beat NFL defenses." Not speculation or SOS, I was talking about his actual accuracy in the games I watched and saying that some of the passes he threw would be easily picked off in the NFL, that's not SOS, that's film analysis. 2. "they have similar body structure about 6'1" That's not speculation or SOS either, that's how big he is. 3. "it's suggested that Teddy is closer to 195" Now that's sort of speculation, but most places he's listed around that weight so it's not really speculation. I've seen 205 as well but 10 pounds doesn't affect the concerns of him being too small 4. "what he gets away with against AAC defenses" This is out of context and is referring to plays that I've watched where he's thrown what would have been deemed inaccurate passes in the NFL that don't show up on a stat sheet in college. You can call that speculation if you like, but if you are going to use that broad a term for it that would make literally any projection nothing but speculation making that definition not one that should be used in a thread about draft projections. I have noted accuracy problems with Bridgewater, especially on the deeper routes, pointing out a potential cause (small hands) doesn't make it completely "just speculation". I'm speculating as to the cause, not speculating as to the action.
