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[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. lfw

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    I actually enjoy reading the debates about Lin when they are civil. The range of opinions on Lin is like a bell curve, most people are right in the middle but there will be a few in the fringes who will be extreme aka Lin is a superstar/Lin is a scrub. None of that bothers me. What bothers me is when it is no longer civil. But whatever, it is what it is.
     
  2. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    It may not bother you but it definitely bothers a ton of us, including Clutch and staff.
     
  3. lfw

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    It bothers you if somebody thinks could be a superstar/scrub? Or you mean something else?
     
  4. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    No, I am referring to the stupidity of Lin fans and their arguments that they bring into each and every thread, regardless of whether or not Lin was the topic. Those guys need to either leave or go jump off a cliff lemming style as far as I am concerned. I am done with this though. This thread is about PBev being the obvious starter, which after the last couple of games, no one in their right minds should question that.
     
  5. lfw

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    Even though I agree at the moment that Bev should start, it doesn't mean it isn't debatable.
     
  6. Panda23

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    IS ONLY GAME

    WHY YU HEF TO BE MADD!?
     
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    If you are talking about at this moment, no, it isn't debatable. Wait until Lin gets better, then you may have a point to debate later. I know there is no Rockets game and it is boring as hell, but this crap is just stupid.
     
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    If you keep calling Lin fans stupid, it would make you stupid.
    Matter of a fact, Lin fans may be a group of high educated and more class guys. Please go to finish your CC degree first before you come here post, Kid.
     
  9. chenjy9

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    Ooooh I am sooooo hurt! ...Not! And who the hell are you dumbass?
     
  10. chenjy9

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    Love how when people have no intelligent remark, they resort to silly age assumptions by the way. Totally intelligent. By the way, your post just sounds dripping with resentment. I guess you are the one trying to finish your CC degree?
     
  11. mesta

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    This last part of your sentence makes alot of people angry.
     
  12. archinkent

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    I do agree with cspan. Seriously, how old are you? What's with all the unnecessary name calling in most of your posts?
     
  13. coachbadlee

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    A glutton for disappointment.
     
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    Wow, this thread was tldr; I stopped around the 10 page mark. Too many trolls.

    Anyhow, two things:

    First, I hope this thread smokes out the remaining LOFs for a mass ban. This site should not allow posting by more than one or two openly identified, of the relatively more tolerable LOFs. They repeat the same things anyway so CF would suffer no loss of good content.

    Second, I don't think Clutch's article is highly relevant to LOFs, because their argument has always been that Lin should play the role of PG full-time. In the games the stats are based on, Lin did not. And it is true that he could probably put up 15ppg and 8 assist without difficulty on some other team.

    In the "Who is the better PG, Bev or Lin?" debate, were both free agents I'd guess Lin would receive 5-7m (although not from the Rockets), versus 4 to 5m for Bev. Very close. (This is not an attempt to argue that Lin should start over Bev for the Rockets, but merely a guess as to their NBA value.)
     
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  15. nchan

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    Clutch's article isn't so much about who is the better pg. It is about who fit better with the starters, or rather who fits better with Harden. Who's the better PG, Bev or Lin, should not even be a debate. Clutch himself even agrees that Jeremy is a better PG. Most couch in the NBA would start Jeremy Lin over Bev. But this is about Houston Rockets basketball and Bev is a better fit for this system.
     
  16. The Real Shady

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    Has clutchfans.net been DDoS'ed from China yet?

    Nice article.
     
  17. Exel

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    And that's only because Lin sleeps with them.
     
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  18. AvgJoe

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    LOL nice one.
     
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    this is false .. usually pick and rolls with pg are done with 4s or 5s, it is done this way so that you can switch and if you do you have a 4 guarding a 1 and ur 1 guarding there 4. What thibs does is what van gundy taught, which is a hedge. The big man comes out hard on the pg to hedge him from the basket then runs back and covers his guy again. That is not a switch, it is in essense a brief double team.
     
  20. sun12

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    Clutch has established a golden rule of evaluating whether a player should be a starter or not on the Rox team. It is to take that two-line table from the Clutch article and throw it to any player. It is an easy, straight forward, no question asked evaluation tool.

    If anybody ever ever doubts this approach, that guy is not a REAL rox fan.

    Clutch should really patent this approach, think about how better NBA could be if every team learns the approach.

    Think about it, coach's job would be much easier with the Clutch approach.

    We, the fans, do not need to argue about player merits anymore, with the Clutch approach, everything could be settled so easily.

    We should all really thank Clutch for this 2-line golden table.
     
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