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[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    Life is a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get
     
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    Paul and Parker would make anyone look bad not just Beverley
     
  3. Rocknation

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    Not really we. But kevin mchale. We realky do not know the reason bev starts over lin. Only mchale and god knows.

    Requisite skills to be a pg would be passing scoring and defending.
    Bev gets a check on only obe criteria. Unless rockets wabt a chalners type player. I even think the heat if given the chance to answer honestly would start lin over chalmers if on same team. Better available talent that is a cohesive player and team player is usually the no brainer.

    You people mat crow about bev being the next mario chalmers. Thats not exactly a complinent or good thing to expect from your pg
     
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    What did lin do to parker conley teague holiday? You forget?
     
  5. FTW Rockets FTW

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    If Bev wouldn't start for any NBA team, then your and/or his idol Lin would definitely NOT start for any NBA team seeing as how Bev has displaced Lin as the starter for the Houston Rockets.

    Fear not though, Lin is probably a top 10 PG that your type claim him to be....yeah top 10 PG OFF the bench!!

    Deal with it.
     
  6. jordnnnn

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    Mario Chalmers was the starter on back to back championship winning teams. What exactly about that is not a compliment or a good thing?
     
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    I dont care what he did as long as we won lol
     
  8. el gnomo

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    lol next time you go on one of your TMac rants I'd like to see you use a fried chicken and collard greens remark. Maybe throw in some chitlins for good measure. But I bet you won't.
     
  9. Rocknation

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    Dh averages among the best in rebounds and blocked shots. Stats do show correlation to talent. Otherwise nobody would use stats.

    Agree lin has not been the offensive juggernaut. But his role is different with harden healthy and parsons healthy . lin has stepped up against philly when harden was dnp and lin did well when parsons sat out 2 games. defensively lin has even eclipsed bev defensively this year. Lins showibg against lillard calderon parker conley teague holiday has been impressive.
     
  10. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Bev is a better passer and ball handler than Lin. Much much better. He just does it a bit reluctantly at times because he knows his limits and knows that there are others capable of initiating the offense.

    AST/TO

    Bev - 2.16
    Lin - 1.56
     
  11. TheJet

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    You keep proving my point about how little you know about basketball. Not to be rude, but it's getting more and more obvious. A PG's role is not clearly defined like it was decades ago. Some can create and score. Some distribute. Some are spot up jump shooters. Some are defensive specialists. Some just ball handle and have few assists. Some elite ones do all these things. Being a "PG" these days basically means you're just the smallest dude on the court. It's not a black and white skill set.

    And I like how you omitted turnover margin from what you think a PG should have. Convenient, eh?
     
  12. Rocknation

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    Heat could have used more help against the spurs and pacers.
    Chalmers does not add a weapin to the arsenal of the . That at. Sibce the salary cap amputates the ability for the heat to sign a star or legit pg. But congrats to the heat two of the three years. i would think adding a legit pg if given tge chance the heat would start lin over chalmers . same can be said about lin and beverley
     
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    Remember when McGrady said he'll lead us to a championship?

    You know what he was eating???

    crow.
     
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    I said "best defensive center in the game". Is he leading in all defensive categories? I honestly haven't checked, but I bet not. It doesn't change my point.

    Yes, statistics are important. Using them correctly is also important. Computers are very powerful tools but I wouldn't expect a novice user to start compiling code for me.

    And your list of players Lin has showed well against is yet another nail in the coffin of your argument. Single players rarely, and I mean RARELY shut down or are entirely responsible for their opponents output. Yes, even Beverley. People that watch enough basketball know that one on one defense is not the end all be all of being a good defensive player.
     
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    You know what you were eating/drinking?

    Salty tears. :(
     
  16. Rocknation

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    Well everyone plays with different styles. But passing shooting would be requisite skills for a pg no matter whar. Dragic parker conley teague it hill paul nash
    Bledsoe.

    Bev is inferior in that department. And stats support that argument.

    Some players excel in multiple skills like paul or parker or a healthy rose. Some players are one dimensional like felton or beverley.

    You are right bball is not an exact science. But we try to use tools to drduce talent to seperate the wheat from the chaffe
     
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    Stats like rebounds and blocks are usless unless you use them in the correct manner.

    For example someone like omer is a below average shot blocker, no one disputes that, but what makes him standout is his ability to protect the rim. So instead of using a stat like blocks perhaps use OPP FG% at the rim.

    When talking about rebounds the flat rate can often get inflated or miss interrupted. For dwight he has shown to be an excpetial offensive rebounder but a poor defensive rebounder unless it is uncontested. Dwight often gambles making attempting blocks which are done to change the shot of the shooter, thus giving up occasional boards to his man or in some cases just not boxing out.

    If you really want to see a correlation don't look at the raw rebounds or blocks because the correlation they show means squat when their are countless better resources out their
     
  18. Rocknation

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    But lin does not.

    He plays for tge houston rockets.
    This is a site forbHouston Rockets
     
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    That's right, those are all your opinions: no other team will start Bev, Head would start Lin over Chalmers. You're spewing your stupid thoughts as if they're the absolute truth. How the F do you even know Heat would even want to touch Lin with his oversized contract?

    You may be better off not thinking at all. It'd be good for your health.
     
  20. Voice of Aus

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    Can you stop claiming that stats back up all of your claims and actually bring some stats to your claims (and please don't just use per game stats go beyond the box score)
     

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