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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. Kiddsir

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    Morey and Mchale are on the same Boat now. So yes he'll be here for sure.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    Yep that's a pretty bad boat with harden d12 cp25 tj n bev
     
  3. THE DR34M

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    That doesn't mean he shouldn't be fired.
     
  4. Kiddsir

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    No you can fire GM AND coach but normally in NBA YOU CAN'T just fire players. So only MOREY and Mchale on the same boat . U.got it.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    Fair enough points.

    -My point was just to challenge folks to really show me and everyone else from a basketball standpoint (forget the dumb racism & other bogus conspiracy theories.. that is crap) what McHale is doing wrong from a style and gameplanning standpoint that shows that its that that is the main problem as depicted by many posters before that constantly keep coming back to the argument that "McHale doesn't run plays" and fire him and hire a coach that does. Truth is they are running the exact same stuff that almost every other forward thinking modern NBA team does anyways.

    People just need to understand that its not that simple. If your argument swings back to execution and Harden holding the ball too long, thats another argument and one that shouldn't just hold McHale responsible as you noted (he's on record multiple times preaching about the ball getting sticky).

    -The defense is an issue.... huge issue. The Rockets have a top 5 offense.. that's not the problem I worry about so much.

    You watch Rockets clips, and then you watch how the Spurs and Heat perform almost the exact same plays, but the defense is so much more pristine, precise, and intense on both sides of the court. I understand that those clips are taken from the NBA finals so obviously they will be on a whole other level than a regular season game, and anyone who has watched the Heat play this year will tell you that they struggle at times when they are not mentally engaged. However the Rockets have issues on the defensive end nearly every game, and alot of that comes down to actually just being engaged on the defensive end, and loving the grind of it. Not sure that's 100% McHale's fault either, but its something I'd love to get more evaluation on from an execution standpoint.

    -Blaming McHale solely seems extreme to you, but not to many others on the board today. If I had a dollar for every time someone said something like "If this team just had a competent coach... etc. etc" or "If this team just had a coach that ran some plays etc. etc...." I'd be a very rich man.

    Is McHale the greatest coach in the world, and should he be immune to evaluation this Summer from Les and Morey... absolutely not? Is he taking far too heavy criticism for every single problem the Rockets have or are perceived to have from the fans???... yes. If he's really as bad people on here think he is, than I need more proof that relates to basketball execution. That shouldn't be too much to ask for around here.
     
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  6. dmoneybangbang

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    Fire McFAIL!!!1!111!

    McFail is racist and can't coach a high school team!11!!11!!

    McFail is personally responsible for our 8-2 January record!

    .....8-2 in the January!?!?!?!

    Whoops.... well copy and paste this post when we go on a 2 game losing streak so I can be right!11!!1
     
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  7. mvpcrossxover

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    70% of the team they played are sub .500 teams.


    Wait until they play against the west teams again.
     
  8. meh

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    It's ironic that you basically did exactly what the poster quoted was mocking.

    "The Rockets may have success now. But wait till some point in the future when they fail for a certain stretch and then I'll be laughing at you guys and I can get back to bashing McFail again!"
     
  9. SirKen

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    Sometimes, you have the most insightful posts and other times, you straw man to the extreme!

    How is saying the "wins against lower quality teams don't necessarily mean we are doing better" the same as what dmoneybangbang posted?

    Some of you people are getting pretty close to turning this board into "Fallacy Fans"
     
  10. vlaurelio

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    as long as that core is winning morey and mchale ain't going nowhere
     
  11. Hmm

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    let's wait and see how they do in the post-season.... If nothing changes with management's approach with this core of young players.... I guarantee a first round exit...

    If Les is perfectly fine with regular season records over playoff success... then McHale will still be here next season... and we can all exalt his name as being synonymous with mediocrity for years to come...
     
  12. vlaurelio

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    What about mgmts approach?
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    We've played the west. Seems we match up pretty well with SA and GS as we own the series so far. Beat Portland 2-1 but don't match up as well with Dallas at 1-2. Clippers and OKC are tough for us.

    As for 70% of teams being sub .500, I don't believe that.

    Look we've had a pretty rough schedule and dealt with injuries and are only 4 1/2 games back in the West. Really, we are where we were predicted to be. There's a lot of basketball left to where we can grab home court advantage.
     
  14. Hmm

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    Too much free reign given... little or selective accountability... no structured plays - Harden iso or Howard post-up with reluctant passers doesn't exactly count - or emphasis on defense to fall back on when threes aren't falling... in it's place, what appears to be an illogical expectation for the young core of players to figure out how to adjust and play defense at will as a cohesive team on a consistent basis... on their own... Where the "just keep chucking it" fast pace merely provides the other team with more failed Rocket possessions to convert on... All this, while McHale only shrugs, and stutters about it to the media when the team struggles...


    There... I've repeated myself...
     
  15. Billionzz

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    I really don't understand while people keep defending Mchale. I used to think he was a new coach, and he needed time to develop a grow like a new player. The thing is, I don't see that happening, hopefully I'm wrong and he will get better fast, but I kind of doubt it.
     
  16. Raven

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    Coaches normally don't get fired when their team is 29-15, especially if the team is in the WC.
     
  17. jordnnnn

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    Nope. Either you are perfect or you deserve to be fired. No in between.
     
  18. Billionzz

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    Your right, but sometimes they do, ask Hollins.
     
  19. Hmm

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    Short of Parsons' being threatened with fines for every non-defensive play... Harden being suspended a month for every "82 games a season, it happens" remark after a poor performance... Dwight being told to be Ben Wallace minus his "offense"... and Pat and Jlin being told to switch minds minus the support of their talents... This team will have a hard time not getting above average regular season results...

    So, I'm not advocating for McHale to be released right now.. That would be unreasonable, and unlikely for that very reason... I am, however, advocating for his release after this season... which if nothing changes, will come to an end in the first round of the playoffs for the Houston Rockets...
     
  20. Hmm

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    I meant to say, switch their mentality*
     

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