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[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. AvgJoe

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    I like Lin because he's not doing what Asik is doing.

    or what Lowry did.

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  2. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Bottomline is that Lin is a good player that is valuable to the Rockets. He is about an average PG which is not bad and has plenty to contribute. The issue is that the Rockets as a team would be better off with Bev starting for his D, energy and hustle. Rockets will also be better off with Lin off the bench as he can provide the spark and get to be the "man" when Harden sits for a few minutes. Lin will still get his fair share of minutes (~30) and get to close out certain games provided he plays well.

    A lot of the Rockets fan really like Lin and want him to succeed as a Rocket. Where we get peeved off is when his radical fans throw out all kinds of conspiracy theories, despicable insults and lies to discredit the Rockets organization as a whole including coaching staff, players and supporters just to put Lin on a pedestal and make him out to be a superstar which he clearly is not.
     
  3. edlkf

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    Basically, Lin is a better player overall, but Bev is a better fit for the Rockets
     
  4. xrym

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    All I want to say is that Lin should leave the Rockets ASAP.
     
  6. xrym

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    Lowry is like MVP now. I will we would keep him.

     
  7. BamBam

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    To will, or not to will, that is the question...;)
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  8. bongman

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    Please read the article again. Not Rockets.....the starting unit. The second unit is just as integral to the success of the Rockets.
     
  9. Hrock

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    Truth. Lin messed up his chance to earn back starting job, but Mchale didn't exactly have confidence in Lin anyways last year and this year. The LOF label is thrown around when there isn't that many Lin-homers around now. Last year was pretty bad, but even now if you show some kind of support for Lin veterans and trolls alike will throw out that label in their arguments instead of just arguing the points in a discussion.
     
  10. bongman

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    If you are blaming the coach's confidence... you cannot credit D'Antoni for Linsanity just as you cannot blame Mchale for Jlins inability to solidify his starting position role. In both cases, Jlin has to own both success and failure.

    If what you are claiming is true, then you have to conclude that Jlin is mentally weak as TJ was exactly in the same position.
     
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    If we're honest, Lin didn't REALLY have a chance to win anything back. As some have said, this decision was made awhile ago. It's not like the two players are really similar at all so coaches who would prefer one to start would probably not be so torn because that player points toward a certain 'style' they want in their starters. They are not (in my opinion) really comparing good and better, they are kind of comparing apples and oranges - they want an orange in their fruit basket so their not gonna all of a sudden say - I think that apple looks better in the basket. Hmm, maybe I'm hungry.
     
  12. Hrock

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    I am simply saying Lin makes it clear to everyone watching Rockets basketball he is a confidence type player. Unlike Beverly or anyone else when they are having a bad game, they dont let it get them down. Thats my point. I am not blamimg Mchales confidence in Lin, but even Lin commented on how the coach's confidence in him last year affected how he played. That is on Lin's mental fortitude, not Mchale. But it also didn't help how Mchale would yank him last year. This year was Lins chance to prove things different, and he had a hot start but is regressing.
     
  13. stipendlax

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    You keep Lowry, you no get no Harden.
     
  14. j3i

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    Well you can sort of credit D'Antoni. Steve Blake and Kendall Marshall have respectable numbers in his system this season. Put in someone with more talent and boom.. Linsanity.
     
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    Here is the +/- per game this season for our players. I am surprised that Beverley is right behind JH. It is pretty clear that Beverley fits better. There should not be any doubt about it.

    Player Team +/- +/- per game
    James Harden HOU 196 5.3
    Patrick Beverley HOU 125 4.8
    Chandler Parsons HOU 138 3.6
    Dwight Howard HOU 150 3.5
    Omri Casspi HOU 115 2.7
    Terrence Jones HOU 85 2.2
    Jeremy Lin HOU 44 1.3
    Omer Asik HOU 22 1.3
    Francisco Garcia HOU 34 0.9
    Aaron Brooks HOU -28 -0.8
    Greg Smith HOU -16 -1.5
    Donatas Motiejunas HOU -35 -1.5
    Ronnie Brewer HOU -45 -2
    Isaiah Canaan HOU -20 -4
     
  16. bongman

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    I really don't get this. Before Linsanity, NOBODY had any confidence in Jlin except for the people close to him all the way from high school, college and NBA draft. Now all of sudden, one person is responsible for him not being able to perform? He has gone through a lot of personal setbacks on his basketball career and now "yanking" is suppose to affect his play?
     
  17. BamBam

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    You keep Lowry, you no get no Harden & Howard.
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  18. bongman

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    You mean the D'Antoni who was on the verge of being fired before Linsanity? D'Antoni played Jlin because he had not choice. It wasn't because he knew he would be successful. Jlin just happened to have been given the opportunity to show everybody that he was worthy of being in the NBA just as he was given plenty of opportunities here that he is a better fit or the starting lineup.
     
  19. Easy

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    Agreed. I don't think unbiased fans would think starting Beverley is a "stupid" idea. But that also doesn't mean it's a brilliant idea and is an indisputable no-brainer.

    I think there are two extremes here. On the one hand, the Lin apologists blame everything to the coach's racism. On the other hand, those who hate the first group just want to slam it on them and claim that whoever disagree with the decision is dumb.

    The truth IMO is somewhere in between. It is debatable. And it's only half of a season. Remember how last season turned out at the second half? Lin got better and Harden got worse. In any case, Lin's performance in the last few week just doesn't help his case.
     
  20. Hrock

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    Bongman, i'm not blaming mchale. I am saying it was a one of many factors that affected him. Remember his confession last year at some church? He brought up the coaching staff lost confidence in him, (and rightfully so he was playing awful for a bit last year). I am saying it was one of many factors, but I am blaming nobody but Lin himself.
     

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